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[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 36 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is the moment we can lose our republic. Nuts that it could be to MAGA morons.

[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure he feared a Tyrant smarter than Trump, but if we fail with Trump as the litmus test . . . well. Better luck next democracy I guess?

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl -4 points 1 month ago

When was the US ever a democracy?

[–] nednobbins@lemm.ee 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That seems unlikely, since the constitution doesn't really include safeguards against someone like Trump.

The founding fathers were afraid of a King (at least some of them were). They put all kinds of limits on the power of the executive but they assumed people would follow those rules. They never really considered the possibility of a private citizens gaining so much power that they can ignore government.

[–] orbitz@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Wasn't the electoral college and impeachment bits supposed to be safeguard from people like Trump? I'm actually curious because I'm not American but so many things I've read said those were supposed to help that sort of thing. Not that it's helped.

I thought another big thing they didn't count on was so many members of Congress following that sort person.

Also yes I agree they didn't think of the possibility of someone being able to ignore laws because that'd be absurd not to put someone on trial speedily regardless of the position they held.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

Indeed and ironically they largely caused it instead

[–] nednobbins@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There's quite a lot of disagreements between historians on why there's an electoral college https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/k5hv2m/what_was_the_founders_purpose_in_creating_the/

We have a lot of laws that protect people from government. The complement to such a policy is that we reduce the amount of protection government has from people.

If you assume that your government is bad or that it will inevitably become bad then this is a great policy to reduce bad government. The flip side is that if we expect government to protect us from individual bad citizens who have gained a lot of power it's harder.

edit: grammar

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Yes and no

The system was always supposed to protect those in power from those without. The system is designed so that the masses have extremely limited power to remove people like trump if the people with money want him there.

[–] ruk_n_rul@monyet.cc 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Needs an unpaywalled link.

[–] whostosay@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Anyone can do it, copy and paste the link to the archive.

You'd be doing yourself and a lot of other people a favor.

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You could have been the one doing a favor, instead you were a scold.

[–] whostosay@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Give a man a fish

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Not everyone can do it. The archive sites sometimes present captchas that don't load for users with hardened web browsers

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

For George, the Revolution was a business decision to maximize profits. However, he did sign the US Constitution which is what every American should defend and it is the same document the MAGATs would like to destroy.

[–] ShutUpDonnie@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago

The tree of liberty is looking thirsty.