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[–] Xeroxchasechase@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

In places it's not implemented yet it's because of mostly the work of lobbiests and land owners engagement in politics.

Things and policies in a democracy don't just catch on, they must be fought over. Thankfully the fight is mostly by political activisn and nothing worse

[–] Schlemmy@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

What do you mean? Where did it not catch on? In Belgium (Flanders) you pay taxes on unused property, whether it is a building or a vacant plot.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It's a very specific system where government revenue comes from a tax on the value of land (and not even on improvements on that land, so a mansion on land wouldn't be taxed, for example).

Most countries have some form of property tax. IIRC the UK is the only G7 country that doesn't, has a mostly-flat-rate council tax, though they do have a transfer tax on sale of real estate. But property tax isn't a land value tax, and having one doesn't make a country Georgist.

I'm fairly confident that there are no countries that have gone for deriving their revenue from a land value tax.

[–] Schlemmy@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago

The tax that I'm talking about is calculated on the value that has been attributed by the cadastre. You pay it when you own the property without having a building or any other land use on site.

Then, when there is a building on the plot that isn't being used as intended you get taxed on that. The rate is increased by 100% every year with a maximum of 4 increases resulting in a maximal tax of 500% of the base tax.

This is besides from the standard property tax that makes up an average of 50% of municipalities incomes. There are municipalities in Belgium they get up to 90% of their working funds out of those taxes.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Stupid ~~Sexy~~ Taxy Flanders

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 11 points 1 month ago
[–] Pandemanium@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago

I hadn't heard of it until this year. The name isn't particularly inspiring either, makes me think of past kings of England.

[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This might not be the reason but in the US a lot of land is privately owned undeveloped land. If you taxed undeveloped land you may incentivize the destruction of habitats of a lot of wildlife.

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Surely there could be a conservation exception

[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

I'm not sure what an exception could look like that wouldn't swallow the rule. Maybe a requirement for a minimum of a certain sq footage of undeveloped land. But that might not work in areas where many lots have a small amount of habitat land that together forms a larger habitat.

I think it might have merit on a municipal level in very urban areas but not on a state or national basis because of this.

[–] bear@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 1 month ago

Most people don't like change and don't understand why it would make any difference.

[–] Nemo@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 month ago

There's a lot more to Georgism than the LVT, and some of it is unpalatable; or at least, antithetical to the American Dream and so essentially a non-starter in the Western Hemisphere.

I would love LVT, myself, and think it's achievable. The rest of it, no.

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

Describe it to me, maybe it will.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

We have taxes on land if that’s what you’re referring to