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I can't wait for Democrats to accuse one of their own of being a Russian asset.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago (3 children)

These are the poll options in Indiana. No write-ins. Write-ins have to fill out a form to declare it. There was no space to write in a candidate.

I would like to know who Rashida Tlaib thinks Hoosiers should vote for:

(I'm enjoying asking this of people who think it shouldn't be Harris and not getting an answer.)

She flat out told people to vote straight ticket Democrat in this very speech.

This article is just an attempt at ratfucking because she didn't explicitly say she was specifically endorsing Harris.

[–] aaa999@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

OP will engage in a ten hour discussion in the bad comments replying within seconds every time and not do one multiple choice question

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I wouldn't be surprised if OP has blocked this user. A lot of people have or just avoid engaging this person. Unpleasant interactions with this user is a known thing.

[–] aaa999@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You're probably right that OP has blocked this person (every sane comment has downvotes except in this chain!), but "unpleasant interactions?" I'm having unpleasant interactions with OP right now (I have put it on hold until they solve the multiple choice question above, though) and that individual sure can't stop posting. Since I remain clearly unblocked, I have to conclude that OP blocked this person for some reason other than "unpleasant interactions." Anyway if OP is curious about stuff they can't see due to choosing to not see it, OP can log out of the account that's choosing to not see the stuff.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 0 points 4 days ago

I'm being polite when I say unpleasant. Let's just say this user has a reputation, and not a good one. A lot of .world admins are very strict with personal attacks, even when its calling out a pattern so I'll just leave it at that.

[–] Daveyborn@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

OP either has squid blocked or is avoiding him. A quick glance at modlogs cleared up the why for me lol.

[–] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I don't think not endorsing is the same as saying vote for someone else. I won't endorse McDonald's but if I'm starving with no other option I would have to eat it.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (2 children)

There certainly are plenty of people here on Lemmy saying not to vote for her.

And so far not telling me who I should have voted for given my options.

[–] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

Absolutely! I don't think that is necessarily implied by not endorsing, that's all

[–] Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I can't wait for Democrats to accuse one of their own of being a Russian asset.

Why would they?

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Well, that's quite shocking. Who could have expected her to not endorse someone who supports the ethnic cleansing of her ethnicity?

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

People need to remember that Rashiba Tlaib is Palestinian-American.

This is not some just some overseas event, but rather a severe personal grievance. It's difficult to imagine a more pressing issue.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 5 points 4 days ago

They know. They just don't care. They would rather have the attitude of "What are your choices? Vote for us even as we kill your people" rather than try to understand where she's coming from.

[–] aaa999@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (3 children)

there's a typical sneaky bullshitter strategy that sneaky bullshitters always use (i am using "bullshit" according to the wikipedia definition so it is civility, there's no other way to communicate the idea). the strat is this: sneak an assumption in and treat it as a fact. then, start an argument about an unrelated thing. nobody argues about the assumption. kapow! the sneaky bullshitter has just sneakily pushed a bullshit idea and gotten away with it. can you find the assumption, internet posters?

[–] Blackbeard@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's called "presupposing a frame", and Innuendo Studios did a really good piece about it here.

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Are you saying you don't think Rashida Tlaib is one of the Democratic party's own? Or that disinformation from the Russian government is real? Because I strongly disagree with the first one but strongly agree with the latter.

Side note: rhetorical questions are frequently very unhelpful for forthright communication.

[–] aaa999@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Since this is down in the bad comments zone and my attempt at getting people to play "find the assumption" has failed I'm gonna just answer this (also I looked at your post history and you seem to be a real human). "I can’t wait for Democrats to accuse one of their own of being a Russian asset." "Democrats to accuse one of their own of being a Russian asset." "Democrats" "If you can solve the multiple choice question of which of the four candidates to vote for, you are a centrist/liberal (in the leftist sense)/duopoly/two-sides-of-the-same-coin-boi. No leftist/proper radical/cool tough guy who is very cool and tough like me would ever accuse Tlaib of being a Russian asset, so if you do, I am drawing myself as the Chad Leftist and you as the Soyjack Centrist" It's the kind of openly silly opinion that, if you say it openly, people laugh at you, so OP simply assumes it and attempt to change the subject before anyone notices, thus normalizing it. A person not pushing an agenda who writes like a normal person would probably say "I can't wait for you dumbdumbs/Lemmy to accuse Tlaib of being a Russian asset" or more likely just not bring it up at all. People are gonna accuse me of being silly but there's simply no reason to bring it up and phrase it that way unless that's what you're attempting.

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

Ok, if I'm interpreting you correctly, you're saying it would be absurd to call Tlaib a Russian asset, but no one has actually done that, and OP's preemptive accusation that Democratic party spokespeople and/or us dumbdumbs will say that is a concealed and unfounded accusation? Because that I think I agree with (at least the unfounded part, I don't know if there was intent to conceal or if this was just a clumsy but good faith effort at expressing an opinion you and I disagree with).

On the other hand, if you're calling a Palestinian American lawmaker a Russian asset (e.g. unAmerican, fifth columnist, etc., which is all xenophobic John Bircher crap I've got no patience for) I've got a really strong disagreement with you, but it seems like that is the opposite of what you're saying.

[–] HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world -3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

"[...] No leftist/proper radical/cool tough guy who is very cool and tough like me would ever accuse Tlaib of being a Russian asset, so if you do, I am drawing myself as the Chad Leftist and you as the Soyjack Centrist” It’s the kind of openly silly opinion that, if you say it openly, people laugh at you, so OP simply assumes it

Are you saying that I'm (sneakily) assuming that's it's ridiculous to accuse Tlaib of being a Russian asset? (I'm not trying to paraphrase you, I'm just genuinely not exactly sure of what you're saying.)

I do believe it would be ridiculous to accuse Tlaib of being a Russian asset. I am not being sneaky about that. I will openly say it. Here, listen to me say it:

No leftist/proper radical/cool tough guy who is very cool and tough like me would ever accuse Tlaib of being a Russian asset.

[–] HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world -5 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Are you calling me sneaky?

[–] aaa999@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

look no offense but I'm speaking to the people you're attempting to influence (mods removed a slightly different phrasing of this for civility reasons, let's see if removing a key phrase is good enough)