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The FDA has proposed removing oral phenylephrine, a common ingredient in over-the-counter cold medicines like NyQuil and Sudafed, due to evidence that it is ineffective as a nasal decongestant.

The proposal follows a unanimous vote by FDA advisers last year, and recent studies showing less than 1% of the drug is absorbed into the bloodstream when taken orally.

The public comment period ends on May 7, after which the FDA may finalize the ban.

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[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 19 points 3 days ago

Something tells me the Trump Administration won't allow this ban to go through.

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 122 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yet the homeopathy pills can still be on the shelves right next to real medicine.

[–] PaupersSerenade@sh.itjust.works 42 points 4 days ago (4 children)

From my understanding they don’t need to be FDA approved. At that point blame the store, not the FDA. I’m just glad they’re getting this done before they’re purged by the next administration

[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago

I'll blame both.

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 16 points 4 days ago

Oh I'll blame both, thank you very much. It's well within certain governed agencies authority to say "you cannot sell that next to real medicine".

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 days ago

No worries, three months from now it'll all be back on the shelves again

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 33 points 3 days ago

Fucking finally.

[–] Mercuri@lemmy.world 63 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (12 children)

Good. Now do something about homeopathy. I'm so sick of having to explain to people that homeopathy is not medicine in any shape or form. It's not even a home remedy. And it sits right next to actual medicine so people might accidentally buy it unwittingly.

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm sure the Trump Administration will get right on banning homeopathy, or even just labelling it properly. lol

[–] Mercuri@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Most certainly! They surely won't completely dismantle the FDA and then allow big-pharma to dictate everything. /s

[–] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This was so infuriating during covid as it was hard to find children's cold medicine already and half the time you'd see a couple bottles of "Children's cold and flu" on the shelf, buy it, and get home before you notice "homeopathic" written in 3pt font along the bottom of the bottle. Shit's completely useless.

[–] Mercuri@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

I've gotten into the habit of checking active ingredients after almost accidentally buying something homeopathic that was immediately adjacent the thing I actually meant to grab.

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

The problem is, unlike homeopathy, this drug was ineffective for what it was approved for while actually causing side effects. At least the water doesn't do anything.

[–] Verat@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 days ago

Right? You can't even get ear drops that work anymore because all of the ones they stock over the counter are homeopathic where I live.

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[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 36 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I remember like a year or two ago when they officially announced these products are LESS effective than a placebo. How the hell is it taking so long to get them off the shelves?

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I assume they submitted the results and stated they need to be removed, then reviewed the supreme courts measure that stated they only have power to make measures if Congress grants them privilege to do so (precidence, set in Julyish of 2022 with the EPA) making the specialized divisions of government created by Congress illegitimate unless Congress votes on the measure afterwards, making them just superficial recommendations for Congress to wait and see what their lobbyists think is okay.

Aka will drug companies pay enough to keep us lying to the public, vs maybe we will go by the recorded data.

Exon mobile recorded their data of environmental impacts in what year? And we had battery powered vehicles traveling up to 100 miles before that time. Instead of doing what was best for the future of the people, we chose what was best for profits. Reference article for fun; https://www.corporateknights.com/transportation/half-a-century-ago-one-u-s-senator-fought-to-ban-gas-powered-cars-almost-won

Point being. what power did they have to remove them from the shelves. I assume they are launching these last ditch efforts before Biden leaves, and praying to get some support before they get chiseled away at.

Imagine where we would be if GM/Ford and such started forcing the R&D in 1975 instead of 2005, 2015 or whatever we call it now

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 55 points 4 days ago (2 children)

funny considering they caused the use of this garbage because we cant have real ephedrine cuz tweakers.

was anyone under the delusion this shit worked?

[–] Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca 37 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (9 children)

My former boss (Canada) kept a bag of ephedrine bottles in our produce cooler. Dude was twitchy as fuck. Very bird/dinosaur-like.

He would take several per day and chase them with coffee and energy shots. Then he would complain intermittently about vomiting blood due to his ulcers.

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 22 points 4 days ago

He's probably dead now. Ulcers are no laughing matter.

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[–] Hideakikarate@sh.itjust.works 25 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Who says you can't? I can walk up to the pharmacy counter and get some with ID. It's usually a helluva lot cheaper than the phenylephrine stuff, too.

duude i totally forgot they hid it behind the counter.

i grew up being able to buy full bottles of almost pure ephedrine billed as a 'stay awake' thing for truckers and the like. like no-doze

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[–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Is this the shit they started using when they started using the original stuff to make meth?

[–] Verat@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 days ago

By my understanding yes, pseudoephedrine was being used for meth so they put it behind the counter and the name brand "Sudafed" made a PE line that was this, phenylephrine, to stay over the counter.

[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (5 children)

If you want some real solid advice: never buy the nasal spray that has phenylephrine. It may well be one of the most addictive substances man has ever made.

The pills do absolutely nothing. About once or twice a year I have to get the good stuff from the pharmacy, but I've refused to even buy the new stuff.

I can't help but feel like they could just put something in the regular Sudafed to make it not methy, but I took physics and not chemistry so idk.

[–] Emerald@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I can’t help but feel like they could just put something in the regular Sudafed to make it not methy

Sudafed is not "methy", but it can be used to make meth

[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

That's what I meant by methy.

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[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago (1 children)

These products will mysteriously re-appear after inauguration.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 days ago

It won't even take that - you can sell products that don't work (airborn, homeopathy, etc.), you just can't claim that it does. So they'll slap the standard "this product is not intended to treat, cure, or prevent any disease" disclaimer on it and people will continue to buy it.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I have been railing about how this shit doesn't work for what feels like forever.

The entire cold/cough aisle is essentially a scam. Pick up some generic diphenhydramine, APAP, ibuP, and some Pseduophedrine. It will cheap as dirt and do all the things that overpriced shit will do. Anything else that actually helps with a cold/cough is prescription only.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Pseudoephedrine can't legally be sold in the aisles, and requires you to get out from the pharmacist's counter and provide an ID.

That's why they push the aid that doesn't work. It can be sold at a gas station and after hours.

[–] MIDItheKID@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Damn meth heads ruining it for the rest of us.

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[–] Nottalottapies@aussie.zone 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

About time. Thankfully in Australia we can still get access to the ones containing psuedoephedrine, which works amazingly well.

Can't believe it has taken this long to see the inefficacy of these.

[–] Mercuri@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

In the US, you can still get the stuff containing pseudoephedrine but you have to go to the pharmacy and ask for it and then show your ID. Out of curiosity, what's the process in Australia?

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[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

It won't be pulled from the shelves - it'll just be getting some new fine-print.

These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease.

[–] hedgehogging_the_bed@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Oooo! Do Guaifenesin next! That also has basically no evidence of effectiveness despite being on the market for ages.

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I like in the article how it says they'll get some time to reformulate, but if it doesn't work, they could just turn off the widget inserting it and bobs your uncle!

[–] grasshopper_mouse@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Nobody is taking Nyquil to decongest, they're taking it to pass the fuck out.

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[–] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

and Sudafed

Isn't Sudafed supposed to be short for pseudoephedrine , the stuff that actually works but they have to keep behind the counter?

[–] RandomGen1@lemm.ee 15 points 4 days ago

There's also Sudsfed PE which is Phenylephrine instead of pseudoephedrine. Presumably only the PE sub-brand would be banned under this rule

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