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[–] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 143 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I don't know if this is a hot take, but I think allowing straight and cis people to identify as such is appropriate, because the alternative assumes that we live in a state of default heteronormativity.

If anything, I want to live in a world where homophobes get mad that if they want to be assumed to be straight online they have to identify like anyone else. No one gets assumed to be straight any more. That's better imo.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 15 points 2 days ago

as an almost maximally privileged person (cis straight etc), i want my whining fellows to shut the fuck up. Just stop. Stop taking up all the god damn space. Just be quiet. It's okay not to be included in every scene all the time.

Your point about not assuming people are straight by default is valid. But I mostly just want some cis-het folks to stop embarrassing me by being fucking insufferable.

[–] Toribor@corndog.social 34 points 3 days ago (3 children)

The default should be "I'm horny" but unless I specify you have to guess who I'm horny for.

[–] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 22 points 3 days ago

Maybe one day we can get there, but right now it might be better for a lot of folks if the default was "I'm not horny".

But I'm with you on the dream.

[–] madjo@feddit.nl 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Wow such asexual-phobia! (/s but only a little) Not everyone is "horny".

[–] Toribor@corndog.social 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

No shade to my Ace friends intended. Totally possible to be horny for art or rock collecting or whatever. Doesn't have to be a sexy thing. I'm horny for none of the above is totally valid.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] bastion@feddit.nl 1 points 2 days ago

I prefer pots, tbh.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 38 points 4 days ago

Nothing I enjoy more than asking a good ol' boy his pronouns.

[–] P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br 3 points 3 days ago

Uh, maybe I will have to specify myself, too. Never tought like that.

[–] brsrklf@jlai.lu 69 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The quotation marks are a nice touch. Quality trolling.

[–] FlihpFlorp@lemm.ee 24 points 4 days ago

I think a question mark in parentheses would also do the trick

[–] savvywolf@pawb.social 62 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Finally, representation for gay people who are into irony.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Wait... This is an entire game? I've seen memes of it and I thought it was about an update to Animal Crossing.

[–] Lumu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It's very fun, feels like a return to simple web chatroom type games that I've really been longing for. It's real enjoyable if the idea of casual fishing with some random people seems appealing to you!

[–] Megaman_EXE@beehaw.org 30 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Brooo you can get the title of shithead? Why would you wana be labeled as straight when you could be shithead instead? lol. That's what I would go for haha

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 3 points 3 days ago

Yeah I'd much rather take that over any sexuality. It's a much deeper insight into my personality than just "straight".

[–] DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago

Game for everyone is a game for no one.

[–] seliaste@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I had not heard of the game, bought it and it's awesome. Spent my whole afternoon playing it

[–] headerfile@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Obviously that steam guy was probably coming from a place of bad faith, but the response is maybe imperfect no? This would look pretty bad if the roles were reversed I think. (genuine question I am hoping I am told why this may not be the case; I have nowhere else to ask)

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 days ago

Obviously that steam guy was probably coming from a place of bad faith

The Steam forums actively encourage this kind of bad faith behavior:

  1. when a post gets a new reply it's moved to the top of the forums. So as long as people are engaging with a post, even if it's just to make fun of a bigot, it keeps getting pushed back to the top.

  2. Users can "award" posts for various things (helpfull, cool, funny, etc) and users have taken to giving 'Clown' awards as a way of making fun of posts. Whenever one of your posts gets an award, you are given Steampoints you can use in the Steam cosmetics store.

This results in every game having bad faith posts "complaining" about wokeness so that people will make fun of them with Clown awards as a way to farm Steampoints. The developer bringing attention to it just helps them get more.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's okay to take context into account and not just look at it as a math problem. Targeting a minority isn't the same as doing it to people who make up 90% of society but are whiny.

[–] headerfile@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I totally agree that an unacceptable proportion of straight people are whiny about any manner of minority representation, but doesn't this also affect straight people who are normal about this? Maybe it'd be more fitting to give a demeaning title to homophobes, eg. the steam complainer, but provide regular title to everyone else somehow? Thanks for taking the time!

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

I mean, are straight people who are normal about it clamoring for the title to begin with? This seems like a problem invented basically entirely by the whiners. You could just as easily say it affects gay people who want an ironic title, or straight trans people, but for obvious reasons the whiners don’t really care about that.

All that said I have no idea what the price tag means in terms of gameplay time to acquire it. If it’s unachievable without 10 hours of grinding or something that’s a little mean, but not enough that I really care.

(Edit: accidentally a word)

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[–] bilb@lem.monster 21 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I don't think its ethical to portray straight people in video games at all.

[–] DdCno1@beehaw.org 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Bioware is well ahead of you. Haven't most of their romanceable NPCs been bisexual for ages now?

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 7 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Any game that doesn't make all NPCs "opportunistically bisexual" pisses me off. Quit locking content behind my character's pronouns.

[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm sort of the opposite. Give characters sexualities! Make them people! Give them criteria by which they will or won't find my character attractive! I feel gross when every NPC is pansexual and aggressively attracted to the main character for no reason. Then again, I'm acespec, so.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You can do that while still not locking any content behind gender though.

[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

How can you make a character not attracted to men and simultaneously make their relationship not locked for characters who are men?

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If it were me, I'd do something like not really focus on what their actual "real" sexuality is unless it is somehow relevant to the plot. Then if it is so something like make them a 1 or a 5 on the Kinsey scale instead of a 0 or a 6.

I don't think games should be required to do, I'm not trying to force some sort of universal bi/pan agenda. I'm just saying it personally annoys me when I am locked out of pursuing a character just because of the gender I happen to be playing as because I typically don't play games multiple times. It also annoys me when games don't allow you to pursue all characters. Like in BG3, as far as I know, all characters are bi/pan but not all are poly. The game forced me to pick between Astarion and Karlach, for example. I put 100 hours or so into the game before I quit. I'm not willing to put over 100 more hours into it just to see what would've been different. It's just a waste of my time.

An alternative approach is only having "sex scene" type content gated behind gender, but everything else can still be seen by friends. E.g., anything a character would eventually tell a lover they still tell close friends. Which is still sort of annoying but not really as bad because you can easily just look up a sex scene, but experiencing things like dialogue and special quests in game isn't comparable to looking it up on YouTube.

[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I understand your perspective but I guess I just fundamentally disagree. I'd be annoyed, in the same vein as you, if every character was poly (unless they were actually poly and they had other lovers and referenced your other lovers and it was genuinely part of their identity) or if a relationship with them wasn't different from a close friendship, besides having sex (because sex isn't the only thing separating a close friendship from a relationship).

I guess, the way I approach the kind of game that we're both talking about is just different. I'm not interested in exploring 100% of all the content possible, but rather having a rich experience in the content that I do explore. I'll take an authentically written gay man and an authentically written straight girl who both won't explore a relationship with me, over the opportunity to have more content that's shallower. But yeah, again, thats just a different approach we both have to games.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago

I'm not interested in exploring 100% of content either, but I hate when games artificially block content off. For narrative reasons, I don't care. I don't mind the idea of mutually exclusive companions based on choices in game. But something as minor as gender at character creation? Come on now!

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

For my part I didn't mind that so much in Cyberpunk 2077, I just played it multiple times with different V characters.

But then I can see that it's a big time investment and not good for everyone.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 points 3 days ago

Yeah, I'm usually only playing games once. I don't want to be forced to replay just to see content like that.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I DEMAND EQUAL OPPORTUNITY OBJECTIFICATION IN VIDEO GAMES

NO /S

Except some aces here and there, for the homies to talk about books with.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I still think asexual characters should be "romanceable". Like, there shouldn't be increased-friendship related content behind gender.

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[–] jlow@beehaw.org 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The roles are not reversed, though (quite the opposite), so no need to worry about that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw_mRaIHb-M

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[–] realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

If a community was fighting over something so trivial like this I'd consider leaving the game entirely.

[–] Azzu@lemm.ee 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Then you should probably leave every game, because you can probably find some dumbfucks that argue about this everywhere. There are less than 30 people posting on this Steam discussion linked.

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