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Oh jeez, even if it isn't true, "It's okay, I'll be able to afford the price increase no matter what. Best of luck to you though." is the best possible response to anyone convinced that tariffs are a good idea.
Just agree with them and say "I don't mind paying 2, 3, even 4 times as much for groceries and other household items if it teaches China a lesson. Elon said we were going to need to make sacrifices to do this."
"So, are you going to pay out of pocket for college now?"
"No, I'm getting student loans."
"Do you know what department in the federal government does student loans? The department of education, which Trump is going to get rid of."
"Damn it!"
They'll just say the loans should be privatized. Because it turned out great last time we gave private companies free reign to swindle vulnerable populations into signing massive loans for societal necessities.
"It won't happen. And if it does, it's the Democrats' fault."
Yeah, that's one of the new narratives. "Trump won't be that bad. He lies all the time."
absolutely not buying corporate garbage made in this country anymore. I'll fucking import a kei truck, I don't care.
Yeah we're stocking up on everything we can now, so we can tighten our belts and hopefully save some money over the next few years, but also not directly give the oligarchs any more of our money. I've been researching local and woman owned businesses that I'd like to support for the necessities, and thankfully our grocery store is a local chain. I have a friend who is offering to make basic clothing, including underwear, in exchange for childcare, eggs, and produce. People around here are going to get creative and it's actually giving me some hope that things won't be as bad as we think.
Out of curiosity, what things are you stocking up on?
It's a long list but here's a comment I shared in another thread that might give you an idea: https://lemmy.world/comment/13394779
If you want our actual list just let me know and I can message you this evening. But it's 2 handwritten pages 😬
Great list to start and points me in the right direction. We have two toddler and a new baby who came 10 weeks early so he’s in the nicu. Trying to get things for them as well as us and our two dogs. Good to know, thanks for the info
This election proved that there are a lot of dumb-asses that need to go back to school to take U.S. Government, Civics, and Economics because they didn't learn it the first time, or they never had to take them to graduate high school. Seriously, why in the f#ck would you entrust the economy to a dumbf#ck who bankrupted TWO casinos!! The freaking business model, of a casino, is people walk in, then over the course of two to four hours hand you all their money and then leave. You REALLY have to be a dumbf#ck to fail at that.
Americans are even dumber than that.
A few weeks before the election Donald Trump and Elon Musk had a little circle jerk podcast interview with each other. They spent time talking about how anti-union they are and how much they hate worker’s rights. Then working class Americans went out in droves and voted for those two rich assholes who openly talked about wishing workers had less rights.
We made a guy who was the first president in U.S. history to stand on a picket line with striking workers step down because he was old. Then we hired another equally old rich guy who openly talks about wishing workers had less rights.
That's how stupid Americans are. And this election showed us that the majority of Americans are that stupid. When a majority of a society is that stupid, there are no happy endings. We're set for a period of long decline.
Yes, I remember the reports on that podcast. (There was no way that I could listen to it.) Apparently, common sense has left the building. When I took ancient history, another student asked how or why did the Roman Empire fall. (Honestly, the answer has multiple factors.) However, we have witnessed the reason why the U.S. will fail. The republicans' planned results of demolishing the education system has seen fruition and the plot of "Idiocracy" has come to pass.
"The government that you elect is the government you deserve."
Thomas Jefferson
If everyone knew U.S. Government & Economics, they would also know that there isn't too much they president can do to improve the economy. He can make it worse quickly with bad policies, but not much on improving it. He cannot control the Fed or prices. The last president who tried to control prices was Nixon with a prices freeze, and that started the dominoes which made everything worse all the way through to the end of Carter's term. The presidential policies that can effect the economy for good, most of the time, take a year or more to see results. Basically, that's why the republicans get credit for improving the economy, from the democratic president before him. This is the first time that there's been a 'soft landing' from inflation, if memory serves.
“The government that you elect is the government you deserve.” — Thomas Jefferson
Yup. That's actually why I'm almost relieved in a way. The last 4 years I spent A LOT of time on social media trying to combat misinformation by spreading factual data. It didn't matter. Americans aren't intersted in learning. Many aren't even interested in doing their civic duty by voting. So now I'm hands off. I'm just here to watch the slow (or maybe fast) collapse. I honestly don't believe there's much to be done about it at this point.
The collected data over time is there. Freely available. It clearly shows us which choice was the more intelligent choice. And we ignored that and chose poorly at a vital point in American history, despite being given all the warning signs.
We are simply a society set up to fail.
We have definitely started the slow burn of our country. We may be seeing the reason why the 'founding fathers' did not want and think that the 'common man' should be allowed to vote. Back then, the common man did not own property and was not educated. Maybe they thought that the common man lacked the knowledge and insight to understand the nuances of governing. I strongly believe that this past voting cycle showed a strong lack of understanding, emotional myopathy, and the pure racism & sexism that exists in our country.
Just was at the grocery store. Was joking around with cashier, he and the bag boy talked about the ad playing over the loudspeakers about avocados from Mexico. They seemed nice. He finishes ringing me up and I groan. He says he's really looking forward to prices coming down in the next four years. I started laughing at him, saying that's not how tariffs work and that we're all fucked.
What a wonderful day in the neighborhood.
He says he’s really looking forward to prices coming down in the next four years.
Even absent the tariffs, its crazy to think prices will be coming down under a government that loves the idea of price gouging and speculation.
Yes but Trump, Musk, Thiel, and other billionaires will get a little bit richer and all they had to do was tell a bunch of stupid fucking yokels that it's okay to be bigoted trash.
If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.
I sincerely doubt most of these stories are actually happening. It's true. But I doubt the actual interaction occurred. Seeing this same story different ways all over the internet. I live in a region surrounded by right wingers and aside from those flags and occasional hats, I hardly ever hear anyone outright talk about their politics.
I actually believe it because it's exactly what happened in brexit. Conservatives voted to leave and then they found out what that meant.
Conservatives were so focused on winning that they didn't bother to actually look into Trump's "policies" and are now Pikachu faced when understanding it.
These are the same assholes that are going to completely forget two years from now that Trump raised prices and will still vote Republican in the midterms.
As an European: The Brexiteers who "suddenly" were excluded from free travel and prolonged stays within EU due to their own voting gave a stream of similar stories. It was and is hilarious to watch.
I do believe that such dialogues are really happening and will continue to happen in the US around the clock from now on.
For this to be true, a MAGA diehard would have to have listened to an explanation of what a tariff is from a left leaning person they are trying to taunt, understood the explanation, and believed the explanation that left leaning person gave them that disagrees with what Trump has said.
I have no doubt many MAGA types could understand the explanation, but when in gloat mode, I seriously doubt much listening would happen. Even if they did listen, the chances of them believing that explanation over Trump's seem low to me.
Can we stop with these "and then everyone clapped stories" it's just as bad as the fake trans stories conservatives made up to make themselves angry.
I have non-blood relatives with family in Ukraine. For now.
I have others with mounting medical debt that is as dangerous as the cancers.
I know victims of SA that are sure it won't happen to any of their family or friends.
I hope I'm wrong. I hope this is the wrongest I've ever been.
One thing I've learned is that Kamela Harris needed to just play a PSA explaining why the hell a Tarrif is.
I have a neighbor who voted for Trump. He relies on aspects of medicaid, to get insulin, that the GOP have directly targeted for removal from what it will cover. I told him this, he didn't believe me. So I showed him it in writing from a GOP source. He said that Trump will find some way for people like him to get their insulin. They just want this particular way gone because it's a bad method. I even pointed out that there was zero discussion of changing these policies, to make them more sensible, or anything like that, just an outline that they plan on stopping that coverage. He just doubled down that he won't be abandoned, they aren't just getting rid of the coverage, they are getting rid of THAT SPECIFIC WAY OF DOING IT because it is inefficient, or whatever.
If you explained that tariffs would hurt their income, and employment, in a way they understood, they would just assume there was something being cooked up to make sure that didn't happen. Now that all the manufacturing companies, here, are demonstrating that there will be big losses of profit margin, and cutting compensation to workers, they are mad. However, I personally doubt they will stay mad, or mad enough, or that they won't just end up blaming Joe Biden for it.
Before now, these programs didn't get cut because of the checks and balances of our government. They probably think this presidency will be like the 45th. Those protections are gone and a lot of people are going to suffer and die because of it.
Wouldn't have helped. Learning isn't what Americans do. Americans like finding things to be mad about and then making decisions based on their emotional responses.
Can't fix stupid without massively improving the public education system, and stupid Americans just elected the guys that ran on deconstructing the public education system.
We're done.
God, if only it was that easy.
These people will willfully forget the lesson within a day so they can go back to bootlicking.
The issue is you can't teach someone who not only doesn't want to learn, they react in opposition to the idea of understanding anything outside of emotional reactions.
Well the part about the neighbors not how tariffs work is believable. I have lost count of how many people just think china had to send us money directly to us.
It's like the five stages of grief but with not knowing what the consequences of voting against your interests are.
1 - Gloating
2 - Hubris
3 - Denial
4 - Doubt
5 - Leopards ate my face
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