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Opinion | The Elites Had It Coming (www.nytimes.com)

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Liberals had nine years to decipher Mr. Trump’s appeal — and they failed. The Democrats are a party of college graduates, as the whole world understands by now, of Ph.D.s and genius-grant winners and the best consultants money can buy. Mr. Trump is a con man straight out of Mark Twain; he will say anything, promise anything, do nothing. But his movement baffled the party of education and innovation. Their most brilliant minds couldn’t figure him out.

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[–] PorradaVFR@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago

So fucking rich that it's the NYT suggesting they effectively reported the facts and own no culpability.

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 11 points 4 days ago

The elites won't pay for this...not as much as the guys who voted for him.

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

They still have it coming. Unless they're personally on Trump's hit list they're going to be too wealthy and insulated to feel any real consequences from a Trump administration. The people who are going to suffer the most are minorities and poor people.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

Dumb take

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

We're just gonna talk about Vance's hometown like any of that is true?

[–] Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io 12 points 4 days ago

"the elites had it coming", but they won't be the one's catching the worst of this next administration. I suspect there are college graduates on both sides of the aisle. FU NYT, you helped to create this coming debacle.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

Uh, how are the elites going to have anything coming but more tax breaks and more special privileges? If things get bad enough for liberal elites, they can just move, and keep their money. Elites are not going to suffer; it is the poor and middle class, no matter how they voted.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

"settler colonialism"... My problem with this bit of academic jargon was not that it was wrong... but rather that it offered a glimpse of our poisoned class relations

This pale, racist bro has no clue who the actual victims of settler colonialism are. Zero mention of any genocide at any time or place. He just wants to protect the feelings of his fellow pale people with delusional myths.

The dems/"elites" lost because they unilaterally imposed a completely uninspiring, genocidal cop on us.

[+] frank@frank.casa -8 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I think the problem is that many Democrats are stuck in an information bubble, and instead of listening to the other side, they demonize them and cancel them. It is hard to figure out what the other side is thinking if you don't actually listen to what they are thinking.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You're gonna get downvoted, but you're partially right. Everyone self-selects their media, and avoids things that challenge their assumptions. Liberals are not exempt from this.

And if we are having nuanced policy discussions, it's possible to listen to the other side and respond. But when our political discourse is "They're eating the cats", and you know that's not true, what other way is there to respond?

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

A talking head who gets paid a six figure salary to go on TV and spout inane bullshit about immigrants eating pets shouldn't be replied to. Cletus in the comment section who has a two year degree and makes an hourly wage to do skilled manual labor and honestly thinks the government will let any migrants who want to do so walk into the country whenever they want and give them a welfare check for their trouble does need to be spoken with.

That's all a lot easier said than done, but I think that's the general outline of the problem here.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

We see them. We live among them. We have to work with them. A lot of us have to hear them on the daily.

We know that a lot of what they are "thinking" is due to letting the right wing propaganda machine take a big dump in their skulls every day, and nearly everything they are "thinking" (really, feeling) is based on entirely false premises.

[–] frank@frank.casa 1 points 3 days ago

I think I know who you are talking about. The loud and proud ones. But what the loudest people are saying is no necessarily what most people are thinking. So you can't assume everyone thinks like them.

[–] frank@frank.casa 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Even if their thinking is based on false premises, as you claim, they have legitimate grievances. The Democrats will never get their votes if they don't address the grievances with a realistic alternative plan.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What if their grievances are "there is an open border" and "kids are going to school and coming back after having a sex change"?

[–] frank@frank.casa 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Most people's grievances right now are the economy and inflation. And they want change. They want the elites to have less control over their lives.

Sure, the right has some crazy ideas. So does the left. But the middle decides elections because they are the swing voters, and the middle's main grievances are the economy and that they feel helpless in a world where the wealthy control everything.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

What are some of these crazy ideas of the left's?

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 1 points 3 days ago

We listen to them all the time. We hear the right's grievances. How on earth are we supposed to work with people who believe in complete falsehoods?

"Transgenderists are cutting off little boys' dicks and telling them they're girls"

"Haitian immigrants are eating people's pets"

"Planned Parenthood is performing post-birth abortions"

"Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are full blown Communists"

"Immigrants are destroying the economy by taking all the jobs and not paying taxes"

"Antifa burned Minneapolis and Seattle to the ground"

"Democrats run open borders and let illegals vote"

"Sandy Hook was a false flag to take away our guns"

"The 2020 election was systematically stolen by Democrats"

"The all powerful superhuman deity in the sky personally endorses my political party/candidate and the opposition are literal demons"

"Demons, spawned by Democrats, are attacking conservative TV hosts in their beds"

"Hillary Clinton run a sex trafficking ring out of D.C."

"Hunter Biden's laptop"

"Central Americans are invading America to rape our women"

What the fuck are we supposed to do when this is what the right presents us? These people literally pissed and shit all over the capital when they lost the 2020 election. Are we supposed to humor these shit stains?