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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 11 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

I think it depends on the method for the loop, and how time itself plays into the plot.

Like, I wouldn't say Groundhog's Day is a time travel story. But Deathloop (the game) is a time travel story. The main reason for this is that Deathloop explicitly tells you that the loop is caused by a time machine device, where as Groundhog's Day could be interpreted as Bill Murray having died and is now in Hell or Limbo.

The way you escape the loop in Deathloop is to get all the looping people to die and then destroy the machine. In Murray's situation in Groundhog's Day, the solution is to... Be a better person?

[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 hours ago

I'd say Bioshock Infinite and Arc fit your criteria

[–] pagenotfound@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The premise of time travel movies is a person being able to be present at a different time to their original timeline. So I guess you could say a Groundhog Day type of movie is a subgenre of the time travel genre.

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

Okay, maybe sub-genre is the proper phrase I was thinking of. Thanks!

[–] nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Edge of Tomorrow.

Plot - Earth is invaded by aliens. Tom Cruise gets a power where if he dies, the day starts over. So, he keeps pushing forward in the warzone, and if he dies, he knows how he'll get attacked and adapts to it.

[–] SolOrion@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 hours ago

I'm confused, do you think this is a request for time loop movies?

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 day ago

It's essentially a single player shooter game from the perspective of the player character

[–] db2@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's a pretty decent movie too.

Yes. Except for the last 1/4.

[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

My wife relented on her "no Tom Cruise movies" stance because he dies 200+ times in it.

[–] db2@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Imagine if you could retcon all his movies to do that 🤣

[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 hour ago

I only have this one upvote, but it is yours.

[–] Steve 9 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

I say no.

Time travel stories are about going to a different time.
Time loop stories are repeating the same time.
It's really that simple.

Time loops are anti-time travel really, as there's no movement in time at all.

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

What about stories about time travel that ultimately form a closed loop? There's one that has people moving forwards and backwards through time, yet forms a closed loop at the end: >!Dark!<

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

A closed loop story creates consistency.

Groundhog loops are different each loop

[–] Steve 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

If they're using time travel to create a causality loop, that's different than a time loop.

Time loops usually reset causality, accept for those actually experiencing the loop iterations.

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

I'm not sure that it can be clearly delineated as a time loop or a causality loop, it's honestly a mix of both - though you'd probably call it a causality loop, as each "instance of a person" only experiences the loop once.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 3 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

predestination is a mix then? it's a loop, but selected time periods.

what about time crimes?

[–] Steve 1 points 13 hours ago

Haven't seen it, but sounds like it. Time travel can certainly be used to create loops.

[–] Deconceptualist@lemm.ee 7 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

I say yes. It's one of my favorite genres (if you can call it one) and definitely includes loop-based plots like Groundhog Day and Primer. But I also enjoy the Terminator Series and Back to the Future and others that don't really loop that way. I suspect most fans are similar. It's hard to imagine enjoying one premise but not the other.

Also: https://xkcd.com/657/

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

predestination

time crimes

triangle

caddo lake

add those to your list

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Time travel

Looper

Donnie darko

Next

Bill and Ted


Time loops

Source code

Palm springs

[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 9 points 1 day ago

I think we have to consider it different. In Back to the Future and Looper, one could travel to a past where another version of oneself exists. In Groundhog Day and edge of Tomorrow, the character travels back to become that version of his self again and again. The character can remember and learn, but isn't cloning himself.

[–] nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Mickey7@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

excellent list. Not on the list but really enjoyed was a movie with Kurt Russel "Touchback". But more time travel vs time loop

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 4 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Here’s one: where do you put things like The Long Earth where it’s not time you step through per-se, but all the possible futures starting from the beginning of the universe?

I really want to see someone make that series into a movie.

[–] lunarul@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

That's a parallel worlds story. There are many movies and shows about travel through parallel worlds. Sliders is the first that comes to mind.

[–] clockwork_octopus@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

Constellation

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Netflix categorizes them that way...

[–] GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I mean, time-travel stories typically involve traveling by way of some mechanism be it a spell, wormhole, tear in spacetime and etc. The end goal is usually traveling from one point to another with a purpose. Characters can travel back and forth. Everyone usually remembers each encounter.

Time-loops, like in Groundhog's Day or Edge of Tomorrow, usually cause people to get "stuck." Some plot device is then introduced to eventually "unstick" them. Only the people stuck in the loop are usually aware that anything is happening.

[–] actionjbone@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

The question is whether a time loop is a form of time travel.

Are they actually going back in time? Or is time itself looping back on itself? These aren't the same cause, though the effects can look the same

So I suppose, conventionally, it can be thought of as a subform of time travel. But from a technical perspective, it may or may not be

[–] nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 day ago

Naked (2017)

Plot - Rob is caught in a time loop as he keeps waking up naked in a hotel elevator on the day of his wedding. This is a remake of the 2000 Swedish film Naken.

Not a great film, though.