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[–] Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca 1 points 45 minutes ago
[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 13 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

People where I am from call everyone "you guys" - men, women, trans, doesn't matter, everyone is just "you guys" even when it's a woman addressing a group of women.

The literal meaning isn't gender neutral, but in actual practice, it 100% is.

As for "y'all" or "you all", I don't see how it could possibly be interpreted as offensive to any gender.

[–] tonyn@lemmy.ml 9 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

"You People" is the one to be avoided

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

"howdy fuckers" is the opposite as it sounds bad on paper but in practice it goes over well (except with middle aged moms)

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 1 points 34 minutes ago

"G'day cunts" goes over either extremely well or extremely poorly, with no in-between

Yeah I don't see that one going over well anywhere

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

As for β€œy’all” or β€œyou all”, I don’t see how it could possibly be interpreted as offensive to any gender.

I think "we don't take kindly to y'all" to a trans person would likely be offensive. Beyond that though, you're probably okay.

[–] slacktoid@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago

I mean ... Thats just an all out threat with y'all acting as an exclusionary statement.

All in all agree with your point tho.

[–] littlewonder@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm from "you guys" but I've lived in "y'all" and now I'm forever team "y'all," regardless of where I'm living.

It's the best export from the south, except maybe Texas brisket and pecan pie.

[–] myrrh@ttrpg.network 1 points 1 hour ago

...y'all roughly correlates with coke, although there are some deep pockets of soda-water in the back country...

[–] Arkhive@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 hours ago

Maine I think loops back around to y’all territory…

I mean, neither "you" nor "all" is a gendered term in any way

[–] dumples@midwest.social 7 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

We need a better second person plural in English. Y'all works but its a big language gap

[–] crazybrain@lemmy.spacestation14.com 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I've heard people say "yous" before.

[–] dumples@midwest.social 1 points 4 hours ago

I know. I hate it. I don't know why

[–] nadiaraven@lemmy.world 11 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Y'all is the opposite of offensive for trans people. I lived in the south for a while, and I now use y'all specifically to be inclusive. I wouldn't say "you guys" is offensive to trans women, but I would say for me and likely other trans women it briefly brings to mind being misgendered in the past, so I would call it a small kindness to ube as gender neutral as possible.

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[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 55 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (7 children)

"y'all" fills a legitimately useful gap the English language has. Other languages have a word like this.

Edit: also something cool I just found out, some languages have a way to disinguish "we" (you and I), and "we" (me and the rest of us, not you). It's called clusivity and is missing from European languages. Many indigenous languages of the Americas and Oceania have this, as well as Vietnamese and northern dialects of Mandarin.

[–] doubtingtammy@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Not a gap in every dialect! "Ye" is another plural second person used in Ireland

[–] Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago

Hear y'all hear y'all, Reggie King from o'er the holler brought pawpaw moonshine for the weddin'

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[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 1 points 5 hours ago

If you live on the line, or move north/west, it's now "you all".

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Y'all reminds me of the bible belt. I'm not transgender but I am queer and now and then it makes me uncomfortable.

[–] Alice@beehaw.org 1 points 3 hours ago

Queer people who live in the bible belt still say "y'all". It literally means "you all".

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[–] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 9 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

People who don't even live in the USA saying "y'all" is pure pain

[–] weker01@sh.itjust.works 1 points 16 minutes ago

Why? I am not living in the us but it's a useful phrase.

[–] rmuk@feddit.uk 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I say "all of y'all" and make a point to really emphasize the "'".

[–] weew@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 hours ago

You say "of?"

I thought it was basically all y'all

Or all'o'y'all

[–] tkk13909@sopuli.xyz 6 points 8 hours ago

Trust me there are many more areas that say y'all

[–] ninjaturtle@lemmy.today 15 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

I'm not from the south and use "y'all" all the time. Find it very useful for filling in a gap that English has and slightly faster than saying "you all". Its gender neutral in my opinion.

Never once thought of it as offensive.

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[–] semperverus@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

Where does this put Scott the Woz?

[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 34 points 13 hours ago (9 children)

Yinz goin aht n abaht in dahntahn Picksburgh to watch da Stillers game?

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[–] TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world 40 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Yall is the genderless southern hospitality greeting.

No bullshit no hate. Only yall

[–] stardom8048@lemmy.world 44 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I've used y'all intentionally as a gender neutral term for years in the south.

Lately I've even seen "y'all means all" used as a pride slogan in the south.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 hours ago

Awesome! Thanks comrade.

[–] CandleTiger@programming.dev 4 points 8 hours ago

I bought a shirt once in Pittsburgh that says, β€œYinz is a gender-neutral p pronoun”

[–] BlueSquid0741@lemmy.sdf.org 73 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

I would have thought that β€œy’all” is even more so gender neutral and therefore less offensive/more accepted. It’s a contraction of β€œyou all” right?

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