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Here's a copy and paste from the 1933 article:

Rise in Stocks Reflects Confidence He Will Not Disrupt Nation's Affairs

Berlin is settling down to pass judgment on political developments. Politicians, economists and bankers declare there is usually wide discrepancy between the speeches of opposition politicians and the actions of the group when it gains power.

Consequently, it is not believed that Hitler will accomplish a change in the constitution or that [Reich Minister of Economics Alfred] Hugenberg will bring about a general reduction of interest rates. The government wants to obtain an adjournment of the Reichstag for several months, but it is questionable whether the Centre [Party] will approve of such action.

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[–] enbyecho@lemmy.world 15 points 39 minutes ago

No no no this time is different.

/s

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 minute ago

I have some american stocks and funds and have seen a pretty weird increases in them. Wondering whether selling all of them would be a good idea right now...

... but then again the rise kept going the last time Trump was president so I dunno.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 75 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 22 minutes ago) (3 children)

If anyone asks how the Germans could elect a wannabe autocrat populist and how many people could ignore clear signs of genocide going on.

Now you know.

Edit

A lot of people commenting about either my observation not being astute enough, or misinterpreting history in one way or another.

My observation is solely about and how these things happen it's not very conspirational nor institutional, just weaponized anxiety, populism, polarity and apathy.

The particular brand of ideology, or the identity of the perpetrator does very little for the equation. People being selfish and wilfully ignorant as long as they are pandered to.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 19 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

We've been watching fascists pile into legislatures from Russia to the UK for decades. It's cute to make everything about Hitler, but this isn't an event unique to '33.

  • Fearmomgering over migrants
  • Secular violence encouraged by colonial powers
  • Stagnating global economies and bottlenecks in critical resources
  • Anti-colonialism in the third world
  • Those damned Marxists refusing to sit down, shut up, and back the liberal party

You can find historical parallels in the collapse of Yugoslavia and the Irish Troubles, Modi's rise in India and the Nixon/Reagan reaction to the US civil rights movement, the military coups in Guatemala and El Salvador, the dictatorships of South Korea and South Vietnam...

There's deeper historical roots to Trumpism than just "America made another oopsie cause we're dumb-dumbs"

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 8 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Sure yeah.

The point here is that Hitler is cleraly the most famous crazy dictator. And now, almost 100 years later, it's looking like this Trump fellow is going to be remember quite a lot as well. I don't know about you, but I'm generally slightly afraid, and I'm not even American.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 42 minutes ago (2 children)

The point here is that Hitler is cleraly the most famous crazy dictator.

He's the Big Historical National Enemy. The one that we famously ground into humiliating defeat.

it’s looking like this Trump fellow is going to be remember quite a lot as well

Trump didn't pattern his campaign after Hitler. He patterned it after Eisenhower, Nixon, and Reagan.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 4 points 36 minutes ago

Trump didn't pattern his campaign after Hitler. He patterned it after Eisenhower, Nixon, and Reagan.

but hitler is provocative, it gets people going

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 2 points 29 minutes ago (1 children)

Trump didn’t pattern his campaign after Hitler. He patterned it after Eisenhower, Nixon, and Reagan.

Oh his campaign was more like former American presidents, instead of one of a German Chancellor from the 1930's? Huh. This day is full of surprises.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 18 minutes ago (1 children)

His presidency was more like these prior administrations as well.

Trump is not a unique aberration in American politics. He's a continuation of a historical trend.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 1 points 9 minutes ago

Trump is not a unique aberration in American politics

I don't know man, I fail to recall anyone else being as spectaculary unpredictable and insane, who's made objective truth a concept of the past.

Trump vs Truth

He's just completely fucking insane, genuinely. His speech is weird gibberish and he can't finish a single fucking thought.

You must have a good reason for having such a high criteria for what constitutes "an aberration".

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 5 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Culture of obedience within a society coupled with lack of critical thinking.

Also, genocide is good when the Israeli Jew does it!

Don't be an anti Semite 🤡

[–] drake@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (3 children)

First of all, fuck Israel, it’s a disgusting, genocidal, colonialist state. But with that said, unironically, your message comes across as quite anti-semitic, because you went to some deliberate effort to write “Israeli Jew”. Why? There are loads of jews in Israel who are our allies in opposing the Israeli state’s genocide.

Israel is genocidal and is itself anti-semitic. Conflating Israel with judaism is anti-semitic, and more than anyone else, we should all know better than to do this right-wing dog whistle shit.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 52 minutes ago

your message comes across as quite anti-semitic, because you went to some deliberate effort to write “Israeli Jew”. Why?

It's a self-identified religious apartheid state. You say it for the same reason you'd talk about Irish Catholics versus Irish Protestants, or Hinduvistas, or Radical Islamic Terrorists.

The Arabs aren't the ones bombing Gaza, blockading the ports to induce a famine, and systematically raping captives.

[–] Turbonics@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 hour ago (3 children)

Turning up the controversy to 11: there is a double standard in people blaming other religions for everything but not allowing criticism of Judaism. Even on Lemmy people will gladly insult Islam and Christianity but criticism of Judaism is a taboo.

This is a good recent video pointing out how far the double standard goes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taIyXzFx2oo

I do agree that there is no real benefit to using the term Judaism for Israel. Zionism has created their own subsect which is a nation-state movement rather than a religion.

[–] theangryseal@lemmy.world 1 points 30 minutes ago

You know what really, really, really sucks?

All of this. Take the titles and names of the religions away. Make up new words. Call them all whatever you want to and you know what they all have in common?

Their humanity.

Any of us would be animals under the right circumstances. All of history says exactly that.

I wish we could find a way to do away with all of it.

Even then though, atheist states have committed mass murder. It isn’t just religion, it’s humanity. Isn’t that sad?

If we erased all of our history tomorrow and gave humans a damn Nintendo and a handful of cartridges, we’d be killing each other over Mario bros in 100 years.

I really wish I was just sitting in a dirty house in West Virginia, breathing exclusively from my mouth, saliva dripping at my feet. I wish I didn’t see humanity for what it is.

What really, really sucks is that we could drop this crap and get along if we were truly intelligent. We aren’t. We’re herds of bloodthirsty animals making things up so we can FEEL like we have meaning.

Oh well.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 3 points 1 hour ago

Yeah i never get this clown responses when i shit on islam and catholic church being pedophiles... but god forbid country of war criminals get closed for what they are.

Are we supposed to ignore that that this genocide is ethnic/religious flavour to it?

[–] drake@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (2 children)

That’s interesting, I wonder if there’s some historical precedent that may make people slightly more concerned about anti-semitism rather than anti-christian sentiment.

Fuck all religions, criticise Judaism all you want. But if you start talking about jews (or Christians or Muslims) as if they’re some sort of monolithic group, you’re being an asshole.

Edit: Holy shit, I watched the first 10 seconds of that video and the guest said “Jewish supremacy is the biggest threat to the world today”, which is one of the most overt, outrageously anti-semitic statements I’ve heard in the 21st century. Whoever that guy is, he should not be allowed on TV or YouTube, holy fuck.

[–] Turbonics@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Okay now continue watching the rest of the video and do keep that outrage you had about Judaism in the back of your mind.

See if you have that same outrage when guests on Piers say similar things about other religions as the presenter shows examples of.

[–] drake@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 39 minutes ago

There’s no way I’m watching any more of that absolutely disgusting bile. I hate Piers Morgan, he’s a horrible, racist, piece of shit. I’m just as outraged about people being islamophobic. People being islamophobic doesn’t mean that we should accept anti-semitism, what kind of backwards argument is this?

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 2 points 1 hour ago

I wonder if there’s some historical precedent that may make people slightly more concerned about anti-semitism rather than anti-christian sentiment.

Yes, genocide only happened to the jews, no other group has ever suffered either...

The entire WW2 history is not being used to excuse genocide conducted by Israeli jews.

People are dying but you are buthurt because criminals being named lol

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org -1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

genocide is being perpetrated by Israeli jews and israeli propaganda network comes down to any criticism of genocide as antisemitism.

i am mocking this clown set up...

wtf is u talking about again?

[–] drake@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Why can’t you just say “genocide is being perpetuated by Israel”, why do you have to make it about jews?

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

because that is a more specific factually correct description of who is committing the genocide.

i doubt Israeli Arabs or muslims are doing much of anything to help here but who who bootlickers are everywhere. but all of the top brass are israeli jews, people in IDF are israeli jews gloating on social media about it. are these people are above being criticized? There is a huge religious/ethnic angle to this whole crime.

[–] drake@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (2 children)

totally false, it is the state itself that is conducting the genocide. this is like saying that americans are responsible for the genocide because they voted for trump or harris

[–] in4aPenny@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

americans are responsible for the genocide because they voted for trump or harris

Well, aren't they? If a whole populace democratically votes for genocidal maniacs, isn't that at least a little bit their fault? If Americans really didn't want a genocidal leader, surely they wouldn't go out of their way to vote one in?

[–] drake@lemmy.sdf.org -2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

No, not really, because the US elections aren’t free. More americans didn’t vote for them than did vote for them. So by your own metric, they didn’t go out of their way to vote for genocide

[–] Veneroso@lemmy.world 1 points 23 minutes ago (1 children)

US elections are free.

They are however not compulsory and the majority decided to stay home.

Now we get to enjoy the freedom that abstaining from voting provides.

[–] drake@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 20 minutes ago

If they’re free, why did you vote for a candidate who supports genocide?

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

A disgusting apologist spotted...

German's dindu nuffin, mate 🤡

There is no state without people nor is there the IDF.

Without having support from the core population and bunch of willing participants in IDF, this would not be happening. Israeli jews support this with enough force for the state to be able to execute it.

Also, yeah US is about as guilt in here too since Israel will never be able to do this without US political cover and logistical/materiel support.

US jews along fundamentalist Christians are pushing this genocide too...

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

You can get away with anything when 99% of the voters don't actually care about the quality of the people we elect, and that's the US.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 25 points 3 hours ago

And my Jewish mother still thinks we're making a mistake by fleeing.

And this being despite her knowing that my father's mother had to get her mother-in-law out of Nazi Germany by sheer force of will and determination in the 1930s, but not without sewing the few valuables she had remaining that the Nazis hadn't seized into her coat.

If my dad was alive, he'd be helping us pack.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 17 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Julius Caesar elected Praetor. Trade up in the imperial forums. Gauls are poisoning the blood of Rome.

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 hours ago

History doesn't repeat but it sure as shit rhymes!

[–] nimble@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

They also did an editorial piece on each US nominee and in trumps they said they don't think he will actually be the end of democracy. Let's see how that ages

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 0 points 27 minutes ago

Is this democracy in the room with us right now?

[–] elbucho@lemmy.world 23 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Man. The writers for this timeline really are lazy pieces of shit. How can they just reuse the same stale plot line and continue to collect paychecks? This show has really gone downhill.

[–] P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br 7 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

6/10 simulation some events repeat and there's people with too many gems while there's players who are stuck at the "job" minigame

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[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 16 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Well, he didn't disrupt the nations's "affairs." The allies started doing that in 1942.

[–] kokesh@lemmy.world 63 points 7 hours ago

It's not the same! Hitler tried to overthrow the government with Beerhall Coup before! Wait....

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