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[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 223 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh joy, moralizing from a dry drunk.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 62 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Who dresses like a bad acid trip.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago

Who dresses like a bad acid trip.

But he's blind these days, so now he has an excuse for that part.

[–] thebigslime@lemmy.world 201 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

Hey! It fits this time

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 111 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

I spent age 16-25 a constant pothead. I mean, some weeks I'd just never be sober. My friend said that I sat up in bed, opened the drawer, pulled out a baggie, packed a bowl, smoked 2 hits, and then layed back down. All without waking up, or stop snoring.

I have never once done any other drug. I'm 42 now, and haven't smoked weed in about 10 years.

I know others with similar stories. Weed does not lead to other drugs. Your choices do.

[–] HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 2 weeks ago

My choices led to other drugs, and my choices led to me living a happier life, finally breaking free from my self-destructive habits. These Nixonites corpses need to finish their rigor mortis already.

[–] Gigasser@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Improper education leads to other, harder drugs. See DARE

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[–] sepi@piefed.social 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Different people take it differently. I lead a super active life, and am more active than my friends who don't indulge.

I clean, do stuff, am active, and consume heroic amounts of weed. I wake up early AF and am always early to things. I am not forgetful either or act "confused".

I know everybody is affected differently, yet I hold the belief that the "stoner stereotype" is not as much about the weed slowing people down but about people being themselves and using weed as an excuse.

Perhaps my belief is due to my experience with it.

[–] frostysauce@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Perhaps my belief is due to my experience with it.

And you just demonstrated far more self awareness than Elton John!

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[–] Supervisor194@lemmy.world 103 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Translation: I did whatever the fuck I wanted to do and now I've worked out that I was a shithead. It therefore follows that it was these external things that made me a shithead. Nevermind that countless other people have experienced the same things as "essentially harmless fun." I, of course (having been a raging shithead) am in a position to know better.

The logic is flawless.

[–] frostysauce@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago

Elton John, confirmed boomer.

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[–] hellfire103@lemmy.ca 93 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

Okay but seriously, he's entitled to his opinions. Besides, if he's successfully gone through rehab, he's not exactly going to be pro-drugs after that.

[–] thatsnothowyoudoit@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

As someone who hasn’t had a drink for 23 years one of the big issues with former addicts and alcoholics is the same “if it’s not good for me it’s not good for you” attitude we see everywhere else.

It’s yet more exceptionalism where we mistake the phenomenon of our perception and experience as a direct stand in for everyone else’s.

Even more problematic that it comes from someone with (and I’m willing to step out on a ledge here) a self-professed disease (alcoholics often refer to “their disease”.) That’s fine, but you don’t see diabetics recommending everyone constantly monitor their blood glucose and take insulin.

Like yes, I understand that when my wife has her first beer it doesn’t set off the trigger I have where I need all the beer (and liquor and whatever drugs you have on you) in the world until I don’t remember who I am.

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[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

Having been hooked on cocaine and then implicitly or explicitly equating it with weed, sounds like some sort of internal "reefer madness" 24 hour movie-thon playing in his head.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 week ago

Besides, if he’s successfully gone through rehab, he’s not exactly going to be pro-drugs after that.

Wanting cannabis to be legal isn't necessarily "pro-drug." No more than wanting alcohol to be legal is.

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[–] alexc@lemmy.world 61 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I wish the press would stop asking fucking celebrities questions about social issues. They do not represent society and never will.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 38 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I agree, but I find it amusing in this case since this guy pretty much owes his career to people in the 70s getting high and listening to Goodbye Yellow Brick Road.

[–] alexc@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago

Typical Boomer/Conservative move. They enjoy something and then enjoy it even more by telling everyone else they’re not allowed to use it.

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[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 48 points 1 week ago

Noted drug scientist Elton John? Or the musician? Because I don't give a fuck what some entertainment celebrity has to say about that.

[–] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 44 points 2 weeks ago (12 children)

All I see here is the common kneejerk reaction to anything remotely criticizing marijuana. Elton John is a dry alcoholic and has been supporting other people with substance abuse issues for many years now. To him trivialization of any sort of drug use is negative. Calling it "the greatest mistake" is just some hyperbole to highlight the issue he sees. And he's not wrong in that there are many people, like in this comment section, who act as if there are no negative side effects to consuming cannabis. That is not only wrong but dangerous, because it is a drug and like all drugs it has its downsides that people need to be aware of. Still, personally I think decriminalization was the right thing. But stop acting like cannabis can do no evil.

[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I believe the risks of cannabis are significantly less than nearly every other recreational drug out there. Hell, I am a huge psychedelic proponent, which in many cases causes less physical damage than most other drugs but also comes with its own list of caveats.

But yeah, I see what you are saying and agree. It is important to understand the correct risks of just about anything in life.

Some dry alcoholics love their soapbox though. I'll occasionally bash alcohol, but I honestly try to keep my opinion to myself unless I am with other recovering alcoholics. (Repetitive negative reinforcement has a place, believe it or not.) What I am saying is that it is easy for someone in perpetual recovery to get a hair preachy. It's a thing. (Also guilty here, btw.)

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[–] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I agree that it could be considered addictive. But same could be said about booze. Prohibition is horseshit.

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[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 37 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I appreciate his history and how it guides this, but I argue that - in the context of addiction - not banning alcohol and its societal promotion is a greater harm by any government. Absurd? Yes. But deep down inside it’s no more absurd than prohibiting marijuana considering their similarities in societal use. I was going to say similarities in relative harm too, but alcohol is killing vastly more people than all other recreational drugs.

Canada legalizing marijuana simply stopped criminalizing normal society. The matrix of harm/help of alcohol, weed, and others is way more complex than prohibition.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 34 points 2 weeks ago

We already know what alcohol prohibition did in the U.S. and we know that our prisons are filled with people who happened to have a dime bag in their pocket when a cop stopped them. He's not an idiot. He has to know about both of those things.

[–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 34 points 1 week ago

Shut up and play your piano, redcoat.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 33 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It is very habit forming but that's hardly a reason for it to be illegal.

[–] LavenderDay3544@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's not nearly as addictive as nicotine or ethanol...

[–] kipo@lemm.ee 27 points 1 week ago

Right. Eating is addictive. Drinking of course. And for a lot of people so is running, lol.

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[–] wpb@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago

It's always good to hear what the experts have to say on these matters.

[–] UmeU@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

He must not be very intelligent to hold these debunked and outdated views. Quite out of touch with reality.

[–] Pilferjinx@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago

He seems to be a sobriety zealot. Most of the damage caused by marijuana is the illegality of it

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 24 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Fuck off elton. You know as well as anyone the same can be said for alcohol. As a legalization person I am very disappointed in at least the illinois legalization. It does not allow for private grow for everyone and puts to much money into to small of hands. In addition all the adult entertainment should have severe advertising restrictions. They should be restricted to only having adverts in other adult businesses. So liquor stores, dispensiaries, gambling establishments, bars, etc. stores should not be able to advertise liquor but just have the section with prices and thats it. Same with restaurants. We should totally allow adults to do these things but it stay out of the general public space.

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I've smoked weed for 21 years and have had zero desire to try other, harder, drugs.

Guess I'm just an outlier and all the studies disproving marijuana as a "gateway drug" are bullshit. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[–] Dorkyd68@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Marijuana being a gateway drug was just a very successful propaganda phrase

Ej isn't an American so it's none of his business really. Everyone likes thc when it becomes legal, Ive seen my very conservative family get stoned a bunch now and they love it. Sorta something the left and the right seem to overwhelmingly agree on

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[–] dumbass@leminal.space 18 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

You can't think of a single greater mistake either of those country's has made that's worse than legal weed? Not a single one?

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[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

What a douche.

[–] Chozo@fedia.io 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Stupid old bonger meddling in North American affairs.

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[–] Steve 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Even if I agreed it was a mistake, I'd have a hard time placing it in the top 500.

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[–] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Soooooooooooo, Germany's Legalization is fine then?

Okay good! (Join the BubatzGartenClub!)

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[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Who asked your opinion and since when as it become relevant?

Go listen to Rocket Man. Please, do that.

This is an individual well known for being a diva, in the bad sense of the expression. He once cancelled a show in my country, with a fully sold out venue, at 250€ a seat, because - grab your seats! - he demand a "masseusse" and the venue was unable to provide a profissional willing to provide the service.

His penchant for heavy drinking is also a well known issue and I have a somewhat hazy memory of reading somewhere he was once a cocaine user. ~~Hoover~~ Vacuum cleaner level. Industrial force.

So... who died and made his opinion relevant?

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[–] droporain@lemmynsfw.com 11 points 2 weeks ago

His opinion is like a candle in the wind.

[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 10 points 2 weeks ago

Does not sound like "an ally" tbh

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