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TP-link is reportedly being investigated over national security concerns linked to vulnerabilities in its very popular routers.

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[–] sadTruth@lemmy.hogru.ch 2 points 3 days ago

When your router's chips are made in China, flashed in China with closed source firmware and the money you pay goes to Chinese companies, then it's backdoored.

When your router's chips are made in China, flashed in China with closed source firmware and the money you pay goes to American companies, it's bulletproof.

Just open your "secure" "American" router and look where they are made and flashed. I bet it's not USA.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)

maybe the us should try actually investing in their own infrastructure instead of just relying on rabid xenophobia and sinophobia

[–] avieshek@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Makes sense.

Insert meme: Throws out of the window~

[–] NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 118 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

We have this really great approach to security where we allow the adversary to infiltrate a huge portion of our infrastructure for years and at many different levels, and then we say "hm, maybe we shouldn't be allowing this?"

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Does it matter now? The alternatives are either Chinese companies, made in China, or filled with Chinese parts.

I'll give China credit, they've stitched everyone else right up, and we slurped it down because we're a sucker for cheap shit.

You can buy plenty of American made routers and other hardware that isn't quite as shady. But like you said, we love our cheap shit here, and don't give its malicious intent a second thought.

And no, it does not matter now, that's sort of my point. Pandora's box has been opened.

[–] BMTea@lemmy.world 45 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Almost like it has less to do with security and more to do with securitization of economic competition.

[–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 26 points 1 week ago (3 children)

If you really think this is just about economic competition, you're very wrong.

The FBI didn't recommend using encrypted messaging apps because our infrastructure being compromised is no biggie.

These are computers manufactured by and in a foreign country that's expressed mutual hostility to the US. Computers follow instructions and manufacturers are in the best positioning to add custom instructions like "if you receive this instruction, brick yourself."

After the cyber attacks in the last decade people should realize crypto scammers aren't the only one's that have an interest in shutting down important infrastructure.

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[–] remer@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago (5 children)

The US government is just upset because it’s harder to place back doors in non-US hardware. It’s a US national security concern to NOT have US back doors in devices.

[–] little_tuptup@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago

And China probably also installs backdoors

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[–] frankgrimeszz@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Running OpenWRT is generally a good idea. I’m not gonna lie and say it’s easy to setup. But it’s worth it.

[–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (17 children)

It's a good idea, but there's going to be firmware at lower levels (roughly the BIOS) that could still be compromised. It's best to just not buy Chinese hardware designed and manufactured by a Chinese company with no western involvement when you can avoid it.

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[–] darkevilmac@lemmy.zip 35 points 1 week ago (14 children)

I'd personally hope they just force open sourcing their firmwares if they want to stay in the market. I really like my Omada stuff, ubiquiti is just a tough pill to swallow on price.

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[–] Gerudo@lemm.ee 28 points 1 week ago (19 children)

So who tf is left who makes good wireless routers? When I bought my tp-link it was top rated and recommended by everyone.

[–] jadedwench@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

I gave up on TP-Link. I will never purchase any consumer router from them again. Little to no updates, connection issues that were made worse with an update, features REMOVED with an update, settings wouldn't always stick, which results in a factory reset to get it to do anything. WPA3 just doesn't work. It even would "mysteriously" turn it's DHCP server back on, no matter how many times I turned it off, when it was in AP mode. Friend had the same model and most of the same issues.

I have had better luck with the other brands, but I feel like most of them suck or cost way more than they should.

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[–] dutchkimble@lemy.lol 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

law that prohibits attempts at monopolies

Why hasn't this law been used before for so many other things, like all cash burn tech startups such as Uber, etc? Genuine question not being sarcastic...

[–] prosp3kt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 days ago

Well in my country uber isn't a monopoly because it eexists indrive and others also actually I think there's a healthy competition

[–] ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Wait until they hear where all electronics come from. Are they gonna ban Apple?

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[–] Erasmus@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Someone in the comment section posted a good question. Which specific routers that TP-Link makes are the issue?

Is it all routers that they make or is this just because they are selling inexpensive routers that have become a large part of the US market?

Does someone have an article that isn’t biased one way or the other that gives a list of effected routers ?

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