Time for Nvidia to step up their driver game... shrugs
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I think they already have. I held off on Wayland on my main machine for a long time due to Nvidia issues. For example, I was getting rendering issues where some windows/popups would be totally invisible until I moused over them. Those issues are now gone, and I've been running Wayland for the last few months with no problems at all.
yeah, it got better, but still not good enough
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Oh hey, it's this months regularly scheduled Wayland drama!
They still haven't solved the problem of a Gnome Shell crash taking down my entire session with it. I need to be able to restart the shell independently of the Wayland compositor for me to switch.
KDE Plasma will get this feature soon, I hope GNOME Shell will follow their approach.
I feel like if Gnome Shell is crashing enough for this to be a problem then it crashing is the actual problem.
Yep. I'm not even using Wayland. Every other day its "Oops, there was a fucky wucky!" And I have to log out. I'm on Cinnamon for now.
~~ubuntu already compile gnome with the fix~~(edit: i confused it with triple-buffering, that ubuntu compile gnome with, idk if ubuntu compile gnome with the fix to don't take down the entire session), but the merge request is there, and it work, idk with gnome didn't merged it still, maybe other priorities?
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Well let's hope that massively improves the Wayland experience then. I tried it last week and still had flickering screens, laggy windows, and crashing games. In the current state it would be unacceptable for me to switch
depends if nvidia care about improving wayland, they don't really have any reason to care today. Maybe if people start purchasing hardware from their competition enough.
I'm having a perfect time on intel at least. Though I have no video game requirements.
My problem is that I'm kinda tied to CUDA and thus Nvidia. If AMD's ROCm would've been a bit better and supported on consumer GPUs I would've went for that.
But having a non-NVIDIA card in order to use the latest GNOME doesn't seem reasonable to me. Then again, maybe the pressure will finally make NVIDIA get their shit together
considering how willing they were to throw vendors like EVGA under the bus, trying to figure out what pressure Nvidia listens too might be a challenge in of of itself …
I'm gonna assume you can use Cuda, without driving the display with nvidia. You just need a motherboard with onboard Intel
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I had the same problems until I switched to an AMD card. Since then it's been smooth sailing in Wayland.
I had those issues with an old nvdia driver version, bun on the recent ones it works better.
Fix the issues with Wayland and everyone will happily make the switch.
Maybe this will help people finally make their apps work on Wayland. I hate so much to install a "privacy-friendly" software or even something related to security and discover it only works under X.
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So what is the name the new GNOME that supports X11?
Edit: I appreciate the alternative desktops, and they are a great reminder (feel free to keep them coming.)
My point was that open source projects tend to fork every time a less than popular decision is made. Often, removing support for something is seen as a less popular decision. I anticipate GNOME will fork over this. I have no inside knowledge and will not be leading the charge.
KDE, I suppose.
For now, they're also slowly weaning off of it.
mate?
Guys, am I the only one?
I dont care about X11. But some weird things just dont work.
I have a stupid AMD mobile GPU which seems to neither support virtualization, nor Wine games.
Also, I only had one keyboard/mouse input at a time, so either shift or running for example. People told me thats because of XWayland.
Is that a thing? This would be a total dealbreaker
AFAIK wine requires no special hardware support. It isn’t virtualizing anything, it just translates directx calls into OpenGL/Vulkan calls executed by your normal driver. If wine doesn’t work I suspect it’s something else
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Until barrier/synergy works on wayland, I've got to stick with X
Input Leap? Now that Barrier is no longer being developed, Input Leap is the main fork, and GNOME 45 just added support for it on Wayland.
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I have to growl at someone
This is the best summary I could come up with:
A set of merge requests were opened that would effectively drop X.Org (X11) session support for the GNOME desktop and once that code is removed making it a Wayland-only desktop environment.
Going along with Fedora 40 looking to disable the GNOME X11 session support (and also making KDE Plasma 6 Wayland-only for Fedora), upstream GNOME is evaluating the prospect of disabling and then removing their X11 session support.
This merge request would remove the X11 session targets within gnome-session: "This is the first step towards deprecating the x11 session, the systemd targets are removed, but the x11 functionality is still there in so you can restore the x11 session by installing the targets in the appropriate place on your own.
That was followed by this merge request that would land later on -- more than likely, one cycle later -- for actually removing the X11 session code.
Some concerns were raised already how this could impact downstream desktops like Budgie and Pantheon that haven't yet fully transitioned over to Wayland.
In any event we'll see where the discussions lead but it's sure looking like 2024 will be the year that GNOME goes Wayland-only.
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I thought Wayland still didn't work with nvidia cards?
It works, nowhere near as good as AMD but it works.
https://wiki.gnome.org/Initiatives/Wayland/NVIDIA
https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Wayland/Nvidia somehow supports it even better
According to https://arewewaylandyet.com/ nouveau has support for wlroots and sway
Unpopular opinion but
WE DO NOT BREAK USERSPACE! Seriously. How hard is this rule to understand?
- Linus Torvalds
Forcing Nvidia to update drivers by breaking your system otherwise us not the correct way to do it.
That's for the kernel. Userspace often breaks userspace.
Well, there are better reasons for getting rid of fossil software... Like xorg being a giant clusterhack :)
Still not convinced Wayland won't end up the side-line fossil to be perfectly frank. It just isn't compatible enough considering how long it has been developed and the "every compositor needs to essentially implement the whole protocol itself" model seems like a huge design flaw.
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That's the kernel apis. Those have to be stable. Userland always changes much faster.
User space is not breaking often enough for nvidia users. If it'd break regularly maybe users would either buy something with proper support, or force nvidia to open their stuff so it can be maintained like the rest, and no longer is a roadblock for progress.
nvidia has open-drivers, it's shit, but they have
(sometimes i go there to laugh)
maybe these push can make nvidia fix the problems
Sounds good!
That's a hard work to try to be compatible with X11 and Wayland.
I hope that could simplify that.
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FOSS linux gods will bring it back the first week, change my mind
They haven't brought it back by supporting x11 itself, I don't see how this will be much different.
Effort is better spent making Wayland the X11 replacement it's supposed to be.
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