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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 13 points 6 hours ago

Term and age limits for all elected politicians serving all levels. Two terms and 65 is the maximum age to enter the election. In addition, get rid of the Electoral College.

The union members who voted for Putin's Sock Puppet do not realize the damage they are going inflict on the US blue-collar sector.

[–] SuperCub@sh.itjust.works 46 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

The statement reflects the actions of the Kamala campaign and the Dem party, so I believe it. Will Democrats ever change, though? Not until the old guard relinquishes their tight grasp on the party and allows it to operate democratically. The old guard are corrupt and they are paid by the same ultra wealthy donors that pay Republicans. The only reason the Tea Party was successful in taking over the Republican party was that there was a huge amount of funding behind them. An equivalent leftist force does not exist because there is no monied interest that would fund an insurgency on the left (except for the masses— think Bernie 2016, 2020, but we would need even more to create a lasting insurgency of equal scale). In light of this, the Democratic party has continuously pursued a "third way" approach to become essentially Republican with some social equality. The Democratic brand stands for nothing anymore.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

because there is no monied interest that would fund an insurgency on the left

There could be, but in the last 2 decades such companies generally went down or at least didn't grow into something significant and were not being helped by the state and such when having problems. I agree that politics reflect money.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 15 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

The old guard are corrupt and they are paid by the same ultra wealthy donors that pay Republicans.

I don't think it's actually possible to win national elections in this country post citizens united without the ultra wealthy donor class. I'd love to be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm not.

Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 142 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (14 children)

Reminder: this is the same Teamster that spoke at the Republican convention, making these comments to Tucker Carlson.

You probably shouldn't take this at face value and assume this was her attitude toward labor in general.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 10 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

A major union head went on Tucker Carlson's podcast... gross. Harris could have done more to appeal to workers, but this dude can't paint himself as a neutral politically-impartial leader!

Yes because politically neutral means only going on democrat podcasts.

[–] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 55 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's bullshit on it's face. Biden told Congress they should pass the PRO Act, Harris echoed that ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL.

One of the provisions of the PRO Act is to gut right-to-work laws by allowing Unions to collect dues from every employee at a Union shop.

So the guy is just lying about that, of course there's no way for me to know if she wagged her finger in a Teamster's face.

[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 30 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Excuse my ignorance on American doublespeak, but does the "right to work" just mean the "right for companies to employ scabs"?

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 22 points 20 hours ago

They named it that so it would get confused with similarly named laws that protect the rights of workers.

[–] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 20 points 22 hours ago

right to work laws "protect" workers from unions forcing them to pay dues so: yes.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 7 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

We could have gotten Right-To-Work off the books?

[–] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 hours ago

Well, nah. 'cause congress would have to pass it before the prez could sign it.

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[–] orclev@lemmy.world 66 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I'm sure one of a great many statements that aged like milk. The sheer contempt that Democrat politicians have for voters is breathtaking. Maybe some day they'll care about voters the way they very obviously care about corporate donors.

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I don't understand this.

The statement made means "are you with me or not, I'm not going to stop on your behalf"

And generally the campaign trail was pro workers rights, the activism history was for workers rights.

So it sounds like teamsters had something else going on? It seems like this thread is reading it wrong.

...Biden and Harris broke multiple strikes.

Yeah, great, they advocated for the PRO act the same way they advocated for m4a or a ceasefire in Palestine.

[–] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 45 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Judging by their performance in the last three presidential elections with absolutely zero course correction, I wouldn't hold my breath.

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world -1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Given the number of people in this thread stating they'll never vote Democrat again I don't expect that to change.

I'm pretty pissed at the system myself but in no way am I going to encourage more Republican leadership. Which is far far worse than what we would get otherwise.

It's really weird to shoot yourself in the foot just to spite your hand.

It's shooting yourself in the foot to stop foot cancer that was metastasized from hand cancer, to correct your metaphor. And the actual alternative is to start doing some Luigi's Special towards every CEO and politician.

We're not there yet, so voting third party, even pointlessly, is the only effective action left.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (16 children)

Maybe some day they’ll care about voters the way they very obviously care about corporate donors.

How are you coming away with that the lesson to learn? The guys that won care even less for voters. The lesson appears to be: "Say whatever you think voters want to hear at that exact moment with no intention of following through for their benefit."

[–] hark@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

If that's what it takes to win then they should fucking do it, assuming democrats even want to win.

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

Most of the thread seems to take this lesson. Which is crazy.

They would literally rather have a pandering candidate who just lies to them to get their votes and then does nothing after then a candidate who is transparent about what they can and cannot do, and pushes realistic change that can actually be achieved within their term.

This country is fucked, because the voter base is comprised of morons. The education system has failed this country and there really isn't any turning back now. If entire generations lack critical thinking ability then they lack the ability to make good choices, and are unable to see past their nose, never mind vote.

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[–] AriesAspect@lemmy.world 6 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

Unless it's aoc or bernies sanders. I'm not voting blue ever again. Actually crazy they** lost to orange, again

[–] Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 hours ago

It's just shitty because what real alternative is there? You either go all-in on the Conservative fuck-train or you attempt some desperate form of damage control by voting for the moderately more palatable option. There's no in-between in the US that isn't a symbolic losing bet.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 hours ago
[–] MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml 25 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

If the next dem candidate doesnt run as an anti-establishment candidate, and call out the party leaders that have done such a terrible job, they will lose again and again and again etc.

For one thing someone eventually has to admit that Bill Clinton is a creep who should not be praised anymore. The fact that the Kamala campaign used him as a surrogate in 2024 is delusional

[–] AriesAspect@lemmy.world 15 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Everything about her campaign was delusional 🙄

[–] YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Seems like the Teamsters would have been better running mates than a fucking Cheney

[–] spacecadet@lemm.ee 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Don’t worry, next election they can get Hitler’s grandson or Putins niece to help them campaign. That should get the average everyday person to come out and vote for them! Everyone loves relatives of super powerful war criminals, right?

Honestly, yes they are the best. Especially when their politics aren’t all that different from the mass murderer.

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