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[–] Elkot@lemmy.world 1 points 5 minutes ago

I love my Steam Deck, play it all the time and I've discovered new games, that I wouldn't have considered buying before had I been tied to a desk, like Visual Novels, I've played so many in the year I've owned my Deck

[–] recklessengagement@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Huh. I never even considered the possibility of putting SteamOS on a laptop/desktop... I have a spare engineering laptop sitting around, might try it.

[–] synapse1278@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

Afaik SteamOS still only supports very limited hardware configurations similar to the steam deck, for example only AMD GPU are supported (Nvidia is in beta support as of recently, I think?).

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 hours ago

SteamOS installs for laptops aren't supported yet. If you want something alike consider Bazzite

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

What would be the advantage of installing it on a laptop? Can't you just run steam on Ubuntu or whatever and use Big Picture mode?

[–] mhague@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Personally I can't run steam and a game on a my laptops. They're good enough to run games like subnautica and stalker on wine but steam requires like 1gb of RAM and runs like shit.

Edit: on older Ubuntu lts versions, not 24

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 27 minutes ago

Hm so SteamOS uses less resources that the steam app? I assumed SteamOS was just a streamlined way to run Steam?

[–] Critical_Thinker@lemm.ee 9 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I completely advocate for it. It costs you nothing but time and disk space. You can still run games from other sources with only slight tinkering.

Open source is so beneficial for humanity and for gaming there aren't really downsides for tons and tons of games.

You lose all the spyware from microsoft, the incessant mandatory patching and upgrade notifications and loads of other things that provide no value.

Nothing stops you from being able to dual boot windows or run it in a VM either.

[–] recklessengagement@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

AFAIK, VM gaming is still a pain in the ass. You need to jump through a lot of hoops for any kind of GPU passthrough.

[–] skarn@lemmy.today 3 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Think they meant run Windows in a VM if you need it

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

Lots of/some soft doesn't support it, like photoshop and 3dstudio, but it might work if you're lucky!

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I thought that was still not officially available, only forks or rebuilds of sorts?

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

They have to publish kernel edits,

As far as I am aware it’s just Arch with gamescope though so you aren’t gaining anything from using SteamOS 3 compared to a typical Linux build

[–] KingOfTheCouch@lemmy.ca 178 points 1 day ago (15 children)

Boots up gaming PC

Windows: "YOU IN DANGER ZONE! NEED WINDOWS 11! BUY NEW PC U SCRUB!!!111"

Load up Steam

Steam: "Hey, I see MS are being assholes - click here to install SteamOS instead"

Reboot PC

Millions of people never run windows again

I'm dreaming but that would be amazing. That would make this the year of the Linux desktop. C'mon GabeN, make it happen!

[–] Critical_Thinker@lemm.ee 7 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (4 children)

Are you sure you don't want to create a microsoft ID? Microsoft believes that you should only trust them with all of your data and credentials. They promise they won't hand over your information to the government unless the government serves them a subpoena or has an agreement to access the data that is lawful or they detect something they have been asked to report.

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[–] xavier666@lemm.ee 32 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Things which are holding this back

  • Collaboration with OEMs to provide SteamOS OTTB (Lenovo is an exception)
  • Nvidia support. Most gamers use Nvidia GPU unfortunately
  • Certain industry-standard software which don't have a Linux port. PSA: Most people don't want to learn alt software. Johnny Mainstream is scared of new softwares. This cannot be changed
  • End-users suffer from choice paralysis and Linux offers endless choice. Maybe SteamOS can help.

What we know so far, SteamOS won't be a general purpose OS, so it might not support every random piece of h/w.

We might not have the year of the Linux Desktop, but we can expect 2025-2026 to be the year of the Linux handheld.

SRC: Linux fanboy for the last decade

[–] spongeborgcubepants@lemmy.world 5 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Nvidia works flawlessly in my system, didn't have to tweak anything.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 1 points 1 minute ago

Right, so since you had that experience, everyone else must also have it?

[–] xavier666@lemm.ee 2 points 5 hours ago

Let me tell you about my Nvidia experience.

I use an old Nvidia card and I'm using the proprietary drivers. My distro maintainer said they are switching over to the open source version (only supported for 20xx series and above). They said it will cause an issue. I updated my distro like usual. And boom! Can't boot anymore.

Since I'm more or less tech savvy, I could fix it but it took me few hours of my life to find the solution. I saw on reddit many people were having the same issue. If I constantly checked their Discord before every update, I could have avoided it but it's impossible for a layman.

A mainstream person won't be able to search & diagnose the problem. They will just think it's a Linux problem and give up. This is why it's impossible for Nvidia users to peacefully live with Linux. I know they are going to release a proper driver for Wayland but I am pretty sure that will take another 2-3 years. But till then, my stance remains the same.

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[–] ploot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 23 hours ago

You forgot the endless pages of trick questions you have to periodically step through to get into Windows. One wrong move and you owe Microsoft money every month.

[–] ZoeyBear@beehaw.org 3 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

If Linux had better nvidia support I would swap in a heart beat.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 3 points 16 hours ago

I have been running OpenSUSE with nVidia for 7 years. No issues here.

[–] Critical_Thinker@lemm.ee 4 points 23 hours ago

AMD's RT performance is getting quite close to Nvidia. Each generation gets them closer and closer.

CUDA will always be proprietary but there's a ton of resources being put against alternative solutions.

[–] ximtor@lemm.ee 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Using Pop for almost 2 years on nvidia laptop and pc, no problem, whats the issue?

...Ok no problem is a lie, but it wasn't GPU related problems..

[–] ZoeyBear@beehaw.org 1 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

I had issues with my specific hardware combo of i9 14900k and 4090 and multi display issues that windows doesn’t seem to have. Though that could just be my ignorance.

[–] J4g2F@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 hours ago

Depending on the issue it may be fixed now that Wayland is better supported on Nvidia.

X.org always had issues running multiple displays with different refresh rate for example.

But don't know your exact problem of course. May be something different. I think there will be some big leaps made with nkv (the new open source drivers for Nvidia cards), but it gonna take some time.

You can always try something like pop_os on a live usb. They have the Nvidia drivers installed and use Wayland I think.

[–] ximtor@lemm.ee 1 points 11 hours ago

I had an issue with 2 4k screens through my dock, but that was apparently my docks fault.

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[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 79 points 1 day ago (43 children)

I hope that SteamOS finds more of its way into desktop computers. Sure, I don't trust Valve; just like I don't trust any other corporation. But it's like fighting a big cancer with a smaller meta-cancer, if they hurt Windows/Microsoft I'm happy.

Plus its current relationship with GNU/Linux is symbiotic.

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[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 57 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, I don't think Microsoft has ever understood or cared how much pc gaming has added value to windows.

Which makes the strategic defeat here of failing to understand they are fucked longterm all the more satisfying.

[–] __nobodynowhere@startrek.website 41 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Microsoft understood in the 90s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2V9TFrmQ_Q

St. John recognized the resistances for game development under Windows would be a limitation, and recruited two additional engineers, Craig Eisler and Eric Engstrom, to develop a better solution to get more programmers to develop games for Windows. The project was codenamed the Manhattan Project, like the World War II project of the same name, and the idea was to displace the Japanese-developed video game consoles with personal computers running Microsoft's operating system.

To get more developers on board DirectX, Microsoft approached id Software's John Carmack and offered to port Doom and Doom 2 from MS-DOS to DirectX, free of charge, with id retaining all publishing rights to the game. Carmack agreed, and Microsoft's Gabe Newell led the porting project. The first game was released as Doom 95 in August 1996, the first published DirectX game. Microsoft promoted the game heavily with Bill Gates appearing in ads for the title.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectX

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

[...]codenamed the Manhattan Project, like the World War II project of the same name, and the idea was to displace the Japanese[...]

a bit on the nose huh

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I know it's correct but reading "Microsoft's Gabe Newell" actually made my eye twitch.

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[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Yeah, Microsoft has had brief moments like this but systematically they have behaved consistently like the only thing that matters to them is enshittifying the work environment of office workers.

The examples you gave are interesting precisely because they are a brief departure from the norm.

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[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 51 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Microsoft recently announced a handheld for Xbox. They’re going to half ass this they way they did with windows phone.

https://metro.co.uk/2025/01/08/xbox-handheld-details-emerge-ces-microsoft-talks-windows-integration-22321335/

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