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Some Walmart employees say customers are getting hostile at self-checkout — and they blame anti-theft tech::When Walmart's anti-theft self-checkout tech alerts an employee of a missed scan, it can cause some uncomfortable situations.

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[–] garretble@lemmy.world 223 points 1 year ago (7 children)

You force me to check out my own groceries. Fine.

But don’t get pissed when I have a lot of groceries and have to move my bags because you gave me one square foot of space to bag everything. That’s often my biggest frustration. The robot thinks I’m trying to do some shady stuff, and I’m not.

[–] IrrerPolterer@lemmy.world 133 points 1 year ago (17 children)

The 'robot' isn't the problem. This design is intentional and human made. Here in the Netherlands self checkout is the norm, even in very small grocery stores. However, it's super easy and not frustrating at all, because the stores TRUST their customers. The self checkout is super simple, you scan a product and put it on your bag, or backpack or whatever you have. No need to weigh the scanned products or anything. Nothing overcomplicated.

Now there are some control measures, but they are designed in a way to not be too intrusive or create unnecessary frustration: First, most places have a gate at the exit that only lets you leave by scamming your receipt (or if you go paperless, you scan your membership card on your phone). Also, some places do random inspection. But that's frustration free too - a worker comes up to you with a hand scanner, scans like four or five random items of yours and leaves. Boom, done.

[–] shiroininja@lemmy.world 110 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, you can’t trust Americans. They’ll steal your own land out from under you and Rob your grandma and call it good business sense. Saying this as an American.

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 42 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Don’t drink the water. There’s blood in the water.

[–] Funkymatt@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And probably some forever chemicals, but we've made that everyone's problem

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don’t forget microplastics.

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[–] SmashingSquid@notyour.rodeo 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This isn’t about the weight sensors, it’s using “computer vision” to detect you didn’t scan something and forces employees to get involved.

All the Walmarts I’ve been to have the bagging area weight sensors turned off. It seems the local grocery store finally turned theirs off because using a reusable bag used to set it off.

[–] sartalon@futurology.today 19 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I got pinged twice, in one visit because I moved shit around, trying to organize.

Way more false positives, in my opinions.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Honestly, those weight systems are so easily defeated, I don't even get the point. Anything that is measured by unit vs weight can easily be stolen.

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[–] rauls4@lemm.ee 67 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] TheGoldenV@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] Furedadmins@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Some loss is the expected result of replacing workers with customers. Even cashiers who are paid and trained to check out customers have a failure rate of about 1%. Walmart treating their customers like criminals for things that routinely happen to even their own trained and incentived employees is ridiculous.

[–] TwoGems@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

I'd get hostile too. This wastes literally everyone's time, employee and customer. Walmart and other companies already write off all their losses as tax write offs. It would actually be more cost efficient to do literally nothing. But it's not about preventing theft. It's about proving a point: that corporations control you.

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[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Hey remember when they gave you free bags, bagged it for you, and rang you up? That was kinda nice. Now the price is three times as high and all that service stuff is gone. The day before Thanksgiving is going to be hell this year at my supermarket

[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Those free plastic bags deteriorate into toxic materials that are presently all over the inside of your body. You had to wait in a slow line for people to bag the wrong things together and sometimes scan the same thing twice. Now I have my own canvas bags that last forever, I never scan my things twice, and my shit is bagged with the right things together based on where they go in my home.

[–] clegko@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Switching from single use plastic to multi-use plastic has greatly increased carbon emissions of production. You also have to reuse the new plastic bags over 100 times for them to break even, emissions wise. (https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2020/04/30/plastic-paper-cotton-bags/)

I agree with you that canvas bags are better overall, but IMO we should move back to paper. It's WAY easier to reuse paper products, gardeners love the paper bags, and they break down quickly even if they are littered somewhere. There are some tradeoffs, such as transportation costs being higher because they are thicker than single use bags, but if you compare paper to multi-use bags, it's a fairly moot point.

Also, I'd still rather someone bag my shit for me. I've had so many things broken or otherwise damaged by the cashier haphazardly tossing my stuff into the cart just so I can walk 5 foot and take 10 minutes to pack my own stuff. Personal preference, but it should be given as an option imo.

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The irony is that the plastic bags became the norm over the paper bags because they were thought to be more environmentally friendly, over the infinitely recyclable paper that literally grows on trees.

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[–] smolyeet@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I can’t remember the last time I let someone ring me up at Walmart. Self checkout was always faster because most of the attended registers were closed. Most of my adult life I’ve bagged myself and idk if I’d want to go back tbh. The tech is annoying to deal with though

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[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 40 points 1 year ago

Maybe they should keep some non-self check registers open then. I was a grocery store cashier in high school and college and I got $20/hour for doing it (adjusted for inflation). Right now if I see a store only has self-check open I will walk out, what I want to do is start tracking my time then mailing in a 1099 and an invoice for my time.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 37 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The last few times I've walked into a Walmart, the place has been a disaster.

Shelves empty and in disarray, no evidence that they ever did carry the product I was after, the building in an increasing state of disrepair.

I'm done with this company.

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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 36 points 1 year ago (12 children)

I'd never think to harass the poor employee who has nothing to do with the store managenent's decisions...

However, when I'm pissed or tired I'll sometimes be rough or sloppy with the machine, and I get pissed if they have too few manned checkouts for how crowded a store is. Banging items against the scanner glass, tap selections on the touch screen forcefully with my ring etc.

To keep the self-checkout machines company, I'll act like a machine too. If I unsuccessfully attempt to scan something, after 5 tries I "timeout" and move onto the next item.

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[–] guywithoutaname@lemm.ee 32 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I don't know about you, but I get annoyed that I still can't use NFC at checkout. It's 2023, tap to pay has been around in the US since 2016 and much longer in Europe.

[–] Psythik@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It really is stupid cause literally every business accepts NFC payments now. Even gas pumps. But not Walmart.

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

From an employee I talked to it's because they have a specific contract with the payment processor and it requires using specific payment devices that are covered in the contract and they don't want off it for as long as possible because it gives them preferential fees.
So until the cost of business lost is enough to cover increased payment processing fees, don't expect to see tap to pay.

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[–] tony@lemmy.hoyle.me.uk 31 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It's gone further here.. we have shops with scanners so you scan the goods as you go around.. in theory speeding up checkout but..

  1. 25% of the time you end up selected for 'random check' so an employee has to come and rescan everything anyway
  2. If there are any 'restricted' items a like painkillers, a different employee has to come over and allow them.

Given the chronic understaffing meaning you're basically in a queue for attention, it frequently takes longer to get through the 'rapid' checkouts than it would if I simply queued up and got someone else to do it. But as far as the supermarket thinks they're winning as they pay fewer people.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

All the retail shops that were built 20+ years ago have a ton of un-peopled check-out stands. My local grocery store. My bank branches. The hardware store.

Companies have reduced their staffing to two or three checkers and a self-checkout line.

We're doing the work for them. They're hoarding the profits. It's a mess.

My local BofA branch has twelve or thirteen checker stations and I've never seen more than two people at the counter. I don't know when the branch was built, but it was clearly at a time when the semblance of customer service existed. Now, long lines and poor service are normalized and the idea that you'd shop around for a better experience is non-existent.

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It's not the system that bugs me. It's the amount of time it takes for the employees to actually come and get the shit going smoothly again. Even when it's pretty dead in the store, it can take an extraordinary long time before one of the employees watching the area actually comes over when the light is flashing red and I'm trying to get their attention.

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[–] MinimalistPotato@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)

One time I went to wal-mart and at self-checkout there was a security guy (with a bulletproof vest...) with the employee. I don't know if he was there to look intimidating to potential thieves or to protect the employee from violent customers, but I did not like the feeling of him watching me scanning my items. Am I a customer or a potential profit-loss theft for wal-mart? I fucking hate that company...

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[–] mwguy@infosec.pub 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Of course. Sometimes it doesn't work. Often times it's an honest mistake that a cashier themselves may have made. And now WalMart is treating you, a paying customer like a criminal.

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[–] Imbrex@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (4 children)

customers should get a discount for using an SCO.

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[–] Pasta4u@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

I bought jelly and the age restriction went off. The clerk came and I had my ID out to check. We both had a laugh

[–] dynamojoe@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

If we shop at chain grocery stores we're self-checking (and destroying local businesses). If we buy from Amazon we're supporting billionaires and destroying local businesses. If we shop at mom&pop stores we're paying too much for less in an age of inflation. Good luck getting everything you need from side-of-the-road vegetable stands (who skirt tax and have no liability). We can't win.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Not at walmart, but one of our supermarkets in town has two self-checkouts. I tried them a few times, and they were so f-ed up that I gave up on them. One time, the machine did not accept any cash, but was stuck in the menu choice "pay by cash" without a "back" button. So I took my stuff to the normal checkout, which had the problem that my steaks had already been scanned. Solution: leave a bag of 20+ Euro meat at the checkout, and get a new one from the butchers shop.

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[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 year ago (18 children)

It's funny, my local Walmart ditched the weight checking part of the self checkout so it's quick and easy, yet every time I go at least one person has managed to fuck up badly enough to need to call help over

Meanwhile I'm getting a decent discount on my purchase, which is nice

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[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Fucking Kroger's (grocery store in the US) self checkouts yell at you if you have more than like 6 to 8 items, so you have to wave down an employee to continue scanning.

Then it complains for more than 15 and you have to wait for the employee again.

What's the point? How often do people go to a grocery store to get less than 15 things? It's just frustrating.

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[–] Alami@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

When their AI is well trained on social behaviours, they'll start sending Minority reports

[–] mister_seawolf@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't understand people that get upset and hostile at employees in these situations. When I go through self checkout I go in with expectations already set that it's very likely that at some point during the checkout process the machine is going to trigger an alarm and an employee will need to come over and override the alarm. It doesn't happen too often, but when it does my first reaction isn't to get all pissy and throw things at the cashier.

If you have no patience for this sort of thing, then go through the regular checkout. See if it takes longer going that route.

[–] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

I think a lot of it has to do with that last part of your comment. The amount of times I've gone to the grocery store to find there's no register open other than the self checks or that there's 1-2 open at a huge grocery store with a 6-8 people in line for them and no self check line... People are being forced into self checking when they don't want to. These people are obviously going to be more easily upset by issues with the self check machines. Walmart in my limited experience (try to never buy anything there if I can avoid it) is the worst offender I've seen.

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[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Normalize leaving your groceries in the cart and leaving the store, and finding another store that doesnt make you bend over backwards to pay for your shit.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

and finding another store that doesnt make you bend over backwards to pay for your shit.

Not so easy in a small town where the big box stores have killed local business.

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[–] polle@feddit.de 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Seems like i have a complete different experience of self checkout here in Germany. But why? Are our devices newer?

[–] No_Change_Just_Money@feddit.de 16 points 1 year ago (6 children)

No we just care less about theft. The German ones are build to maximace speed and therefore usability. This theoretically makes it rather easy to steal.

If this would become to much of a problem they would also reduce comfort to increase security

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[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Is this an American thing? We had these things in Europe for years, and I never heard of anyone having problems.

Older people still prefer regular checkout, scary computers and that sort of deal.

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