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Three things are no secret: 1) Elon Musk benefits more than any other individual from Tesla’s success, 2) Elon Musk has gotten extremely involved in political matters (emphasis on “extremely”), and 3) many people won’t buy Tesla products because of those first two facts.

New research from JW Surety Bonds finds that 1 out of 4 Americans “avoid Tesla’s technology due to their opinions on Elon Musk.” That’s a full quarter of the US public that won’t consider great electric vehicles, including the best selling vehicle in the world, because of Musk’s highly abnormal involvement in US politics.

Before we get to more of the research, it should also be noted that Musk has been getting more and more involved, including in highly abnormal and extremely right-wing ways, in European politics — in the UK, Italy, Germany, and other major auto markets. Without a doubt, this is starting to impact consumer behavior in Europe as well.

I can’t think of anything else as significant in consumer product sales. Yes, there are some other highly politically engaged business people, but they aren’t so directly involved or tied to significant mass-market products. (I’m not counting the MyPillow guy, for example.) There are founders and CEOs of major corporations who are known political actors, but not so openly and loudly that they draw widely significant scrutiny or tarnish the brand they represent.

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[–] coldasblues@lemm.ee 1 points 8 minutes ago

Right. Because that's the ONLY reason we aren't buying Tesla shit. It has nothing to do with the cost of everything sky rocketing.

[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

How many of those are the target demographic for Tesla?

I would not buy a Tesla because of musk, but also because I don't have the need for a car or the income for one.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 1 points 48 minutes ago

I was looking at an electric car, decided against it because they are way too expensive. But during my research Tesla was completely out of the question for me because I will never support that piece of shit.

[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 hours ago

That’s a full quarter of the US public that won’t consider great electric vehicles

This is subjective.

including the best selling vehicle in the world

This is distorted by the fact that they have fewer than half a dozen models. They aren't even in the top 10 brands world wide. BYD is in the top 10 and they sell twice as many vehicles.

Tesla isn't growing and as the foul Musk spread through global politics the brand will fall more. He wasted his first mover advantage. It's just a waiting game on how long the market will remain irrational with the stock price.

[–] Elkot@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

Yeah fuck this guy

[–] skip0110@lemm.ee 0 points 3 hours ago

Tesla has “tech”!?!??

They sell average EVs, a bunch of branded meme items, and a stock. No tech.

[–] Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

You avoid Teslas because of Elon Musk. I avoid Teslas because of security, privacy, and proprietary tech concerns.

We are not the same.

/j

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 37 minutes ago

I avoid teslas because I have a white car and I don't want them to crash into me.

[–] thericofactor@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 hours ago

I hate how, when he needs some money, he can just drop a crypto meme coin name somewhere on social media and watch the price go up. He can then sell all of the coins he undoubtedly bought beforehand and sit back and watch a couple of millions added to his bank account. He did it a couple of times with doge, and now with kekius. I'm not smart enough to follow the money for crypto coins, but I'm sure someone could identify one or more whale accounts with suspicious buying and selling moments for these coins as Musk's secret little money factories. (Or the creation of a couple of thousands of smaller accounts, if he really wanted to conceal his tracks)

[–] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 19 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

They’re also not good cars. There’s no reason to buy a new one in 2025

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Even now I'm pretty sure they have one of the best if not the best drivetrains. The problem is everything else is total trash and you won't be able to fix it if anything goes wrong

[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 7 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

That's the thing that sucks. Engine tech is incredible. Everything else is miserably and embarassingly bad. Even if Elmo wasn't such a colossal fucking bigot, I would never consider getting a Tesla for the asking price, or used

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[–] anachronist@midwest.social 8 points 10 hours ago (1 children)
[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

You could've shutted the fuck up and profited

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

And Donald Trump could have invested his inheritance and made more money than god, yet look at them now?

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

For me, its more about the fact that I don't trust that unhinged motherfucker to not do a mandatory update in the middle of the highway and disable braking.

[–] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 1 points 7 hours ago

The problem is how many are still ideologically attracted to him or the MAGA movement and how likely are they to be impulse buyers. Musk already made sure to get the most money he could out of the nerds that would have no problem moving onto competitors once there was legitimate competition. There's legitimate competition, meaning that in order for Musk to continue making the big bucks, he has to appeal to the same sort of market Alex Jones was able to peddle bullshit dietary supplements to.

[–] casmael@lemm.ee 21 points 14 hours ago

Those are rookie numbers - you gotta pump those numbers up

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 8 points 12 hours ago

Other 75% just don't want to spend that much fucking money on a car.

[–] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 133 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Count me among the boycotters. Musk has made it all but certain I'll never ever buy any product or service he benefits from if I can avoid it.

Also...

Musk’s highly abnormal involvement in ~~US~~ world politics

There. FTFY.

[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 56 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

He is one of the most dangerous people today. Not one penny of my money will go to him willingly from me.

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[–] Shacktastic@lemy.lol 28 points 16 hours ago

I can't boycott Tesla because of Musk because their reputation for poor build quality and horrific servicing means I wouldn't even consider them to begin with. That and I want my control stalks.

[–] fadhl3y@lemmy.world 12 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

I own a 5yo Tesla. I would have upgraded, except for the fact that giving more money to Musk is horrific.

[–] Rookeh@startrek.website 1 points 1 hour ago

Same, my Model 3 turns 5 years old soon. My original plan was to keep it for at least 8 years until the HV battery warranty expires - but, it has had its first major breakdown in the last 6 months, and although Tesla did manage to fix it I'm now window shopping for a replacement.

I don't think I'll get another Tesla, at least not as the situation stands. If Elon decided to sell it to some unobtrusive billionaire who is content to sit there, shut up and get even richer without meddling in geopolitics - and if they put back the fucking turn signal stalks - then maybe I would consider it, as otherwise the car is easy to live with, pleasant to drive and has acceptable range for what I need - and newer versions will go even further. But, there are a lot of alternatives on the market to consider now as well.

I am sure there is a team of very talented engineers at Tesla, and that they are the reason the company has been as successful as it is, despite the moron in charge of it.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 hours ago

Cars should last like 20 years…

[–] Asetru@feddit.org 6 points 10 hours ago

I would have upgraded

Why though? Anything wrong with your car?

[–] pumpkinseedoil@mander.xyz 8 points 11 hours ago

It's much better for the environment anyway when you keep it longer. 5y is nothing for an electric car, even if it has multiple hundred thousand kilometers it should be fine.

[–] m_f@midwest.social 76 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

A family member had a deposit down on a Cybertruck and was ready to buy one. They canceled their deposit and bought a different EV because of how much they despise Elon now, so it's not just sour grapes from people that couldn't/wouldn't buy one anyways.

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 9 hours ago

At least they also don’t have to put their car into CAR WASH MODE to not brick it getting a clean hahaha

[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 27 points 17 hours ago

It may be difficult to really say who's part of that group. Years ago, I definitely wanted a Tesla. Would I have been part of that group at that time? Then the downsides started to show up. Poor QA. No independent repairs. Expensive repairs and poor warranty coverage. Their vision of a car controlled by an app. Then Musk went insane.

Then later, when I was in the market for a new car, I didn't seriously consider a Tesla. I looked at them briefly to make sure I wasn't missing out on something big, and found the options to be lackluster. I ended up buying a Bolt.

Would I have bought a Tesla, were it not for Elon's political actions? TBH, probably not. The repairs thing really turned me off. Even though it's largely theoretical (I've yet to find an independent EV mechanic), it's very important that I have the possibility.

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 19 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

I have yet to purchase a single product made by the racist loser and I will continue to do so.

[–] 1SimpleTailor@startrek.website 5 points 13 hours ago

And yet, our tax dollars enrich him. Isn't that great?

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[–] RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world 43 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (7 children)

Sad that it's only 25%.

I can’t think of anything else as significant in consumer product sales.

Some people may still be boycotting Chick Fil A and Hobby Lobby. Though I doubt if it's 25%.

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

That would be me. I don’t shop at either. Neither do my friends or family. Don’t give money to companies that use it to actively persecute you and your friends.

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[–] hypna@lemmy.world 22 points 17 hours ago

I'm more deterred by the amount of control that Tesla retains over their vehicles after they've "sold" it. But if that wasn't enough, Musk's descent in oligarchic fascism certainly would be.

Musk is clearly bad for the companies he heads. I'm eagerly awaiting the investor lawsuits. The stocks will probably have to dip first, though.

[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 16 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

It’s not just their vehicles. I just bought a ‘24 Ioniq 5, and Hyundai is set to start sending out free adapters to use Tesla Superchargers, but I probably won’t plug into one of those either, because it benefits that moronic man-child oligarch.

[–] CharmOffensive@lemm.ee 2 points 9 hours ago

Ioniqs are a really great car. If I didn't live in a country where you can get a BYD Seal super cheaply, I'd have gotten an Ioniq.

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 9 points 14 hours ago

The rest avoid it because they're shit cars

[–] admin@lemmyusa.com 8 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

25% of 800 U.S. citizens surveyed is not indicative of the entire country. Not only that, the original study release here (as far as I could find) doesn't state how or where the survey was conducted.

A survey done in California would be wildly different than one done in Mississippi. That article and this post are ethically dishonest, and the study proves absolutely nothing.

[–] viking@infosec.pub 18 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

The sample size for a population of 200 million (people in the US minus children and people over 70) with a confidence of 95% and error margin of 5% is below 400.

Surveying 800 people actually brings the error margin down to 3.5%, which is extremely good in terms of applied statistics.

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[–] a9cx34udP4ZZ0@lemmy.world 7 points 11 hours ago

Hey guys, I found the Tesla fanboy who never took a statistics class.

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