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This man has never been this wide open, and he was an elite shooter last year in Washington.

He's taken 38 shots and is 60% from 2 and 62% from 3.

Everyone is talking about the Giannis/Dame PnR, but I believe the Tatum/Porzingis PnR is going to be as deadly because of their size and shooting combination.

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[–] e_milberg@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Legit read the thread title and thought "Wait, KP plays baseball now? In Toronto?"

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[–] jimmybutlerianjihad@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

he basically lets them play five out - and he can jack up shots way behind the arc if he wants too, while providing rim protection on an already elite defense. guy needs to stay healthy though

[–] BatmanNoPrep@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (12 children)

He does not provide any rim protection. Anyone who watched him in DC and Dallas knows that he’s near useless as a rim protector. His value is entirely on the offensive side of the ball.

[–] CocoMarx@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] Exodus100@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wtf you clearly didn’t watch him in Dallas. I remember seeing plenty of stats detailing number of drives he deterred while he was here. His rim protection is fine

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[–] AgadorFartacus@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Points Allowed Per Pick-and-Roll defended last season according to Second Spectrum:

  1. Anthony Davis (0.91)
  2. Steven Adams (0.92)
  3. Giannis Antetokounmpo (0.92)
  4. Kristaps Porzingis (0.93)
  5. Walker Kessler (0.93)
[–] manbare@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Would you be able to see the numbers here for KP with Gafford on the floor vs. him off the floor?

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[–] Dreamlifehunting@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

10th in Blocks per game last year. So that's more than the top shot blocker on 2/3rds of the teams in the league.

He provides rim protection

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[–] whowasonCRACK2@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

The difference is that wings can guard both the Boston guys so you can switch a Tatum/porzingis PNR and live with the results.

You can’t switch a Dame/Giannis PNR because Dame is blowing past anyone strong enough to guard Giannis and anyone quick enough to guard Dame is getting dunked on by Giannis

[–] WallOld615@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

He probably will thrive on the Celtics, but these preseason numbers don’t mean shit.

[–] PRsAndDR@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nobody questions the fit. We question his health.

[–] BatmanNoPrep@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

We also question Celtics fans forcing “the jays” on the rest of us. Can we come up with a better nickname?

[–] wallowsfan289@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s not an amazing nickname but it is low profile and smooth. Would you like to do some brainstorming?

[–] Asizel23@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Blue Steel..... Can't go left

License to drive..... Would rather shoot a fadeaway 3 then drive to the basket

[–] colesitzy@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They don't even deserve a nickname. If they were on any team other than Boston, LAL, or Miami no one would give a shit about either of them

[–] Sleeze_@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

yeah man if Brown and Tatum were taking the Knicks on playoff runs every year nobody would notice totally bro

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[–] junkit33@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

but these preseason numbers don’t mean shit.

Agree and disagree.

Porzingis is not going to shoot 62% from 3 on the season, obviously. However, the fact that he's seeing wide open looks for the first time in his career does indeed mean a lot. We all know Porzingis is a good shooter already, but we now also know that the Celtics are going to use him effectively. So the "how well is he going to fit in?" question is already looking answered.

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[–] Kyler1313@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

It's preseason, but he has really looked good in that starting lineup. It seemed everyone always payed so much attention to Brown and Tatum drives that they never checked Porzingis. He is going to be getting open look after open look. Wouldn't surprise me if his efficiencies sky rocket like they did with Brogdan last year (he went from 44/31% as a top option to 48/44% as a 3rd-ish option).

[–] lineupofpeace@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah he’s gonna be great for the 40 games where he’s healthy

[–] JoJonesy@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The usual “it’s just preseason” caveat, but yeah, KP has looked like the missing piece for us so far. We haven’t had a big who’s a real threat as both a popper and a roller since Al’s first stint here, it just adds so much to an offense

[–] Afraid-Department-35@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I really do hope he works out for you. He was just as open with Luka pnr when he was with us, but didn’t have the numbers even close to what OP is saying.

  • he needs to stay healthy.
[–] unearthlysquire@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

He really wasn’t. The issue on the Mavs is that it was the Luka show until the last two seconds in the shot clock. Kidd is a terrible coach.

[–] imcryptic@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

He literally played half a season with Jason Kidd. He was great when healthy under Carlisle.

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[–] elcapitandemundo@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Mavs are my second team so I watched a good bit of KP in Dallas - not that he was a bad player then but he’s improved leaps and bounds from those days in almost every facet of his game. he’s actually a damn good post player now which was something that was noticeably lacking when he was a Mav

in Dallas he was the de facto #2 behind Luka, now next to Tatum and Brown he can settle into a #3 scoring role on most nights. Boston is also a much better team when it comes to perimeter defense so there won’t be as much pressure on him to cover for guys getting beat off the dribble

as you said really comes down to health but at full strength the on-court payoff looks really exciting, provides so much space and versatility to our offense

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[–] LmBkUYDA@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Take a look at some of the highlights https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCXIpU2JYlU&t.

As the second/third man of an action he's absolutely unstoppable. Catch and shoot from anywhere, can drive and closeout, lob threat, and has quick footwork to catch defenders trying to close on him (watch him break ankles).

And on defense he's been much better than I thought. He's poised and uses his body without getting baited. I'm stoked for this season. Health is an issue for sure, but I'm hoping that his role will be less taxing than previous seasons.

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[–] WeHave200Couches@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Pingus is offbrand Kevin Durant

[–] PumpkinHead555@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Preseason dude

[–] MrRandoCalrissian@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

If the PnR with Luka didn't work, it won't be any better with Tatum

[–] dafire123@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Maybe but Lmao mavs fans staying salty now that both KP and Jalen Brunson had career years last year away from Luka.

[–] msterling2012@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

KP had career years with Luka too. He just couldn’t stay healthy.

[–] StefonDiggsHS@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

KPs numbers were not much different in Washington than when he was healthy with us

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[–] iiTryhard@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Celtics actually pass the ball

[–] StefonDiggsHS@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago
[–] MentalDragonfly2537@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

lol. He was that wide open with Luka, but he couldn't hit a shot to save his life.

We'll see if he can maintain this level of play the entire season.

[–] melatoxic@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

38.5% last year on 5.5 attempts in 65 games which could’ve easily been 70 if we didn’t shut him down. The year before he was shooting 28.3% on the Mavs which sky rocketed to 36.7% on the Wizards immediately. He’s elite in the post too where passed the eye test and statistically. He’ll be alright lmfao

[–] ElPanandero@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

He missed shots in dallas because he was fucking miserable

[–] reddit_reader_25@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

He was doing pretty good last year to. Every year it always is the same question… can he stay healthy? I hope he does

[–] lycosid@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Dude is gone look like an absolute hero. Between Porzingis looking like an all nba guy in Boston and Beal shooting 110% in Phoenix the Wizards subreddit might very well collapse into a hellmouth this season.

[–] SmokyOtter@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Im confused as to why the wizards felt like they needed to blow everything up

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[–] FancyPrint7365@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

nah they too soft

[–] lisbon_OH@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Too bad both those teams gotta go through the Cavs and TT 😤

[–] Larovich153@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

cavs have to beat the knicks first

[–] ShanghaiAdobo897@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We've seen this with the Mavs but his health has always been the question. He wasn't able to play in the post as a Mav effectively because of his injuries.

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[–] swimb2w@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago
[–] rudebwoy100@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is preseason bro, Tatum and Brown aren't going to change their game and start sharing the ball, both guys are ball hogs and going to chuck up bad shots instead of passing to the open man at some point.

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[–] trynworkharder@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

He is so open in these preseason games and completely changes the gravity of the floor compared to last year. So excited to see what this offense is capable of

[–] EazeeP@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

AND they have Jrue Holiday? Damn it’s now or never time

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