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[–] philpo@feddit.org 11 points 23 hours ago

A friend of mine worked on the team that wrote the EU AI legislation. He is a fucking genius and so are his colleagues. There is little chance he can simply "change the definition of open source". He might be able to challenge the EU definition in court and postpone paying,but be will pay.

The brussels bureaucracy is a absolutely fed up with US tech bro antics by now and both Microsoft and Google have already learned their lesson. Zuckerbergs Meta still tries to resist,but he will fall as well.

Funnily this is absolutely speed up by their antics in the US as this leads to more and more lawmakers here realising that the European societies need to be protected from them the same way it needs to be protected from China.

Fuck off, Fuckerberg.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 12 points 1 day ago
[–] cyd@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Aww come on. There's plenty to be mad at Zuckerberg about, but releasing Llama under a semi-permissive license was a massive gift to the world. It gave independent researchers access to a working LLM for the first time. For example, Deepseek got their start messing around with Llama derivatives back in the day (though, to be clear, their MIT-licensed V3 and R1 models are not Llama derivatives).

As for open training data, its a good ideal but I don't think it's a realistic possibility for any organization that wants to build a workable LLM. These things use trillions of documents in training, and no matter how hard you try to clean the data, there's definitely going to be something lawyers can find to sue you over. No organization is going to open themselves up to the liability. And if you gimp your data set, you get a dumb AI that nobody wants to use.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 day ago

Looking at any picture of mark suckerberg makes you believe that they are very much ahead with AI and robotics.

Either way, fuck Facebook, stop trying to ruin everything good in the world.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 377 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Money? Is it money?

clicks article

For Meta, it's all about the money.

Shocking.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 149 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

I taught myself programming in the 80s, then worked myself from waitress and line cook to programmer, UXD, and design lead to the point of being in the running for an Apple design award in the 2010s.

But I cared more than anything about making things FOR people. Making like easier. Making people happy. Making software that was a joy to use.

Then I got sick with something that’s neither curable nor easily manageable.

Now I’m destitute and have to choose between medicine and food, and I’m staring down homelessness. (eta I was homeless from age 16-18, and I won’t do that again now, with autoimmune dysautonomia and in my mid-50s, even if the alternative is final.)

Fuck these idiots who bought their way into nerd status (like Musk) or had one hot idea that took off and didn’t have to do anything after (this fucking guy). Hundreds or thousands of designers and programmers made these companies, and were tossed out like trash so a couple of people can be rock stars, making more per hour than most of us will see in a lifetime.

Slay the dragons.

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I mean, didn't he famously steal the idea?

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 23 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

His "idea" was about how to monetize a concept already in existence on MySpace, facilitated by completely ignoring any ethical constraints. That, and a snobbery-based product launch through the Ivies.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 days ago

You’re right. I forgot about the lawsuit and settlement (for $65m). They’re both frauds.

[–] Strider@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I'm sorry you had to go through this and are suffering. There are people that can (literally) feel your pain, I hope that can give some comfort.

I'm lucky to be in Europe, otherwise I would (very likely) be dead and broke if not.

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[–] manucode@infosec.pub 109 points 2 days ago (2 children)

For Meta, it's all about the money.

And avoiding regulation

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 54 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Well yeah, because following regulations has an impact on the bottom line.

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[–] don@lemm.ee 20 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The time it took me to reach this conclusion, after seeing the headline, is measured in quectoseconds.

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[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 50 points 2 days ago

He is definitely in the same list as Trump and Elon Musk.

[–] boaratio@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

Because he's a massive douche?

Is it for control, money? Of course it is.

[–] latenightnoir@lemmy.world 55 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Because he's an insecure and greedy child.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 37 points 2 days ago (1 children)

He's also a sociopath who will say and do anything to get his way.

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[–] 3aqn5k6ryk@lemmy.world 89 points 2 days ago

I dont give a fuck what you want mark. nobody is. what i want is for you to fuck off.

[–] will_a113@lemmy.ml 153 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Kinda funny how when mega corps can benefit from the millions upon millions of developer hours that they’re not paying for they’re all for open source. But when the mega corps have to ante up (with massive hardware purchases out of reach of any of said developers) they’re suddenly less excited about sharing their work.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 76 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You are describing parasitic behavior

[–] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Billionaires are a cancer on the body politic.

[–] xavier666@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

Luigi: Someone asked for cancer extermination?

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I've been begging my company to commit to 1% of our revenue toward open source software we use.

It would be life changing for many of these devs.

[–] msage@programming.dev 3 points 1 day ago

I'm begging for far less, like 0.001%.

Very much unsuccessful so far.

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I don't get it. What would they redefine it to?

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Did you read the article?

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago

Ask "OpenAI"

[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 32 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)
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[–] fuzzy_feeling@programming.dev 59 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Meta's Llama models also impose licensing restrictions on its users. For example, if you have an extremely successful AI program that uses Llama code, you'll have to pay Meta to use it. That's not open source. Period.

open source != no license restrictions

According to Meta, "Existing open source definitions for software do not encompass the complexities of today's rapidly advancing AI models. We are committed to keep working with the industry on new definitions to serve everyone safely and responsibly within the AI community."

i think, he's got a point, tho

is ai open source, when the trainig data isn't?
as i understand, right now: yes, it's enough, that the code is open source. and i think that's a big problem

i'm not deep into ai, so correct me if i'm wrong.

[–] umbraroze@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

Open source software doesn't, by definition, place restrictions on usage.

The license must not restrict anyone from making use of the program in a specific field of endeavor.

Clauses like "you can use this software freely except in specific circumstances" fly against that. Open source licenses usually have very little to say about what the software should be used for, and usually just as an affirmation that you can use the software for whatever you want.

[–] airglow@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Software licenses that "discriminate against any person or group of persons" or "restrict anyone from making use of the program in a specific field of endeavor" are not open source. Llama's license doesn't just restrict Llama from being used by companies with "700 million monthly active users", it also restricts Llama from being used to "create, train, fine tune, or otherwise improve an AI model" or being used for military purposes (although Meta made an exception for the US military). Therefore, Llama is not open source.

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[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't think any of our classical open licenses from the 80s and 90s were ever created with AI in mind. They are inadequate. An update or new one is needed.

Stallman, spit out the toe cheese and get to work.

[–] stsquad@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] WalnutLum@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago

To note is that this definition was discussed for awhile with many engineers in the AI field, including from Meta.

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[–] bungalowtill@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What are we going to do with the colonisers?

[–] bishbosh@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago

water the tree of liberty? 🥰

[–] Theoriginalthon@lemmy.world 36 points 2 days ago

I think the licence type he is looking for is shareware

[–] Kompressor@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago (15 children)

Desperately trying tap in to the general trust/safety feel that open source software typically has. Trying to muddy the waters because they’ve proven they cannot be trusted whatsoever

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[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (3 children)

If people could stop redefining words, that would go a long way to fixing our current strife.

Not a total solution, but it would clarify the discussion. I loathe people who redefine and weaponize words.

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