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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/6745228

TLDR: Apple wants to keep china happy, Stewart was going after china in some way, Apple said don’t, Stewart walked, the show is dead.

Not surprising at all, but sad and shitty and definitely reduces my loyalty to the platform. Hosting Stewart seemed like a real power play from Apple, where conflict like this was inevitable, but they were basically saying, yes we know, but we believe in things and, as a big company with deep pockets that can therefore take risks, to prove it we’re hosting this show.

Changing their minds like this is worse than ever hosting the show in the first place as it shows they probably don’t know what they’re doing or believe in at all, like any big company, and just going for what seems cool, and undermining the very idea of a company like Apple running a streaming platform. I wonder if the Morning Show/Wars people are paying close attention.

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[–] BertramDitore@lemmy.world 298 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Bummer. That’s some weak and feckless megacorp bullshit. Just like something Stewart would cover, which is why this show was such a great power move. And yet? Infinite profit over all else, so never mind.

Look at John Oliver, he talks shit about HBO constantly. Do they care? Nope, because he has more Emmys than anyone could know what to do with. Respect your talent and reap the rewards. Pretty basic stuff, Apple.

[–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 67 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

The difference is HBO is a media company that largely operates in the US, and Jon Oliver making fun of them isn’t going to hurt their business at all. Apple is a hardware company that also makes media. And selling hardware in China is critical to their business. Since the CCP owns China, they can get their panties in a twist and just ban Apple. Like they did with government devices.

As a publicly owned company they have a legal responsibility to maximize profit for shareholders. It’s the same reason why Twitter had to agree to the sale to Elon Musk and why they had to force it. It was a terrible move overall but since Elon was buying all outstanding shares and taking it private, the board literally had no legal choice but to take it since he was offering well over market value.

Public companies don’t get to take moral stands when there’s money on the line. They legally have to put shareholders first.

[–] Whatisawaffle@kbin.social 155 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

"Public companies...legally have to put shareholders first."

I thought this too, but it is apparently a myth.

"There is a common belief that corporate directors have a legal duty to maximize corporate profits and “shareholder value” — even if this means skirting ethical rules, damaging the environment or harming employees. But this belief is utterly false.

To quote the U.S. Supreme Court opinion in the recent Hobby Lobby case: “Modern corporate law does not require for-profit corporations to pursue profit at the expense of everything else, and many do not.”

https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/04/16/what-are-corporations-obligations-to-shareholders/corporations-dont-have-to-maximize-profits

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[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Where’d did this “legal responsibility to maximize profit” bullshit come form?

There is no such law, an no entity to enforce the responsibility.

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[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Apple is a hardware company that also makes media.

Apple is a lifestyle company. The hardware is just the base layer.

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[–] zecg@lemmy.world 177 points 1 year ago (3 children)

definitely reduces my loyalty to the platform

You are either paying the subscription or not, your inner states mean nothing to them or us.

[–] UPGRAYEDD@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I can think of an old great daily news show that still doesnt have a permanent host... please!!!..

Or run for president.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I've been saying, "Stewart for President" for decades now. He is perfect for the job. He would never want that job, which I just see as further qualification.

[–] Waluigis_Talking_Buttplug@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He fought congress for two fucking decades for 9/11 first responders and the families to get paid, he comes more than prepared to every talk, and he's not afraid to shut someone down and call out bullshit.

I'd say he's over qualified for work in politics

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ukraine got their version of Jon Stewart to become their president and he's successfully fighting off a Russian invasion. Sounds like an endorsement to me.

[–] DragonAce@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

Jon Stewart 2024 "It worked for Ukraine"

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[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Jon Stewart as president might be the greatest thing that could happen in my lifetime.

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[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 131 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (37 children)

"Let's talk about all the cheap Chinese labour that Apple uses despite being the 10th richest company in the world."

"Let's not."

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[–] 0xb@lemmy.world 103 points 1 year ago

Let this be the regular reminder that any time that a gigantic for profit corporation seems to be doing the right thing it's a mere coincidence and they are following their bottom line. The moment those two depart, they will look after their bottom line right thing be damned. There are no moral corporations.

Maybe those good things they do while are convenient to them are moral and bring real benefits and can be followed and celebrated, but ultimately they are a convenient mask to trick customers. So don't ever be loyal to a brand, be loyal to principles.

[–] DingoBilly@lemmy.world 99 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

But I thought Apple was the good guy, looking out for us folk and doing privacy-focused things!

What? That's just marketing garbage? Nah, surely Apple wouldn't just be a shitty company just like everyone else. Better buy some more overpriced products to support them!

[–] steltek@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The privacy thing was always hiding the real truth. Apple will never be able to compete with Google on ads or tracking: they have neither the engineering chops nor the reach. By being "privacy first", it saves Apple money and cuts off a little of Google's revenue stream.

The benefit to customers was a secondary effect.

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[–] Fades@lemmy.world 82 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Damn that’s a real shame, no surprise Jon walked out. That man actually has standards, he don’t need the money he was there because he cared and wanted to put out a positive voice that analyzed the bullshit we all have to deal with and his platform enabled that perfectly, just like his work for vets and burn pits.

I hope he transitions elsewhere but keeps the content as-is

[–] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 21 points 1 year ago

don't forget his battle with Congress to fund the 9-11 Emergency Responders

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 69 points 1 year ago

Because we all know how easy it is to silence Jon Stewart.

Something tells me he could get more funding for a show with a gofundme than Apple+ is authorized to spend.

[–] Murvel@lemm.ee 64 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is something particularly amusing and very ironic that a mega-corp like Apple, the most valuable company in the world, is standing up to defend a communist dictatorship and won't accept any dissent.

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[–] Nobody@lemmy.world 63 points 1 year ago (1 children)

According to The Hollywood Reporter, ahead of its decision to end The Problem, Apple approached Stewart directly and expressed its need for the host and his team to be “aligned” with the company’s views on topics discussed. Rather than falling in line when Apple threatened to cancel the show, Stewart reportedly decided to walk.

Good for Jon Stewart. He held the line even when the money people demanded that he compromise. Maybe a VP pic. I could see it.

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

We are in a dystopian future, where cooperate interests trump reporting.

Independence or the free media does not exist anymore, they are all governed by the economic interests of the 1%. Democracy is hereby dead, and nobody is fighting to save it anymore.

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 48 points 1 year ago

Democracy offically died in America the day Citizens United was approved by the Supreme Court.

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[–] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 54 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Apple tv sucks anyway. I'd like to remind people that it's near the end of the mls season and they still have no android mobile app. They actively piss on anyone not totally in line with their ecosystem, etc.

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[–] lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de 53 points 1 year ago (2 children)

another reminder that apple's "privacy, that's iPhone" is a marketing gimmick. they profit from surveillance and censorship in China^1^. elsewhere, this catchphrase has allowed them to suck Facebook's as revenue into their growing ad business, surpassing even tiktok in terms of ad revenue^2^.

they'll happily do pink washing, but will try everything do dilute labour rights^3^.

so, apple is just your average big tech. nothing exceptional about them(except for them suing regular people to oblivion^4^).


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1: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/17/technology/apple-china-censorship-data.html
2: https://finshots.in/archive/apple-is-an-advertising-giant-almost/
3: a simple search result would lead you to many such cases: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=apple+labour+rights&ia=web
4: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/11/technology/apple-trademarks.html

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[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Looks like I'm going to continue not watching Apple TV for the foreseeable future.

[–] MissJinx@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I have many subscriptions that I pay for, netflix (for now), HBO, prime.. but Apple is not one of them. I just Sail the seas when I want to watch Severance lol

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[–] ech@lemm.ee 39 points 1 year ago

Changing their minds...shows they probably don’t know what they’re doing or believe in at all

undermining the very idea of a company like Apple running a streaming platform

I'm not sure in what way it was suggested that Apple was "different", but to clarify, companies don't do things for "ideas" they do things for profit. If it increases that profit, they "believe" in it, and if it doesn't, they'll kick it to the curb.

And not only is Apple no different than any other company in that respect, they are pretty much the top-tier example of it. They're a $2 trillion company, the biggest in the world. They didn't get to that point focusing on the greater good. Nothing is more important to them than their profit.

[–] stagen@feddit.dk 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I hope he moves to a different platform, one that's not so beholden to the Chinese audience.

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[–] fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

Apple has always sucked Winnie's balls.

[–] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 31 points 1 year ago

I didn't think my opinion of Apple could go any lower but I guess I was wrong.

[–] StopSpazzing@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I would subscribe to him if he moved to patreon.

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[–] OpenStars@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago

Jon Stewart is a national treasure.

[–] butsbutts@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago

i would totally help crowdfund a jon stewart show

[–] crackajack@reddthat.com 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I understand that Apple relies on cheap Chinese labour...

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[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Now he and Hassam can start a new show.

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[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 12 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


But ahead of production kicking off on the show’s third season, Stewart and Apple have reportedly parted ways over “creative differences,” and The Problem is coming to an end.

Though new episodes of the show were scheduled to begin shooting in just a few weeks, staffers learned today that production had been halted.

According to The Hollywood Reporter, ahead of its decision to end The Problem, Apple approached Stewart directly and expressed its need for the host and his team to be “aligned” with the company’s views on topics discussed.

Rather than falling in line when Apple threatened to cancel the show, Stewart reportedly decided to walk.

The Times’ report doesn’t detail what about the show’s planned coverage of artificial intelligence and China prompted Apple’s executive leadership to butt heads with Stewart.

But considering how pointed criticality is a big part of what ultimately made The Problem With Jon Stewart a hit for Apple TV Plus and how maintaining a cordial relationship with China is crucial to Apple’s future plans for growth, it doesn’t come as a shock to see the show hit the chopping block this way.


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[–] willybe@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

reduces my loyalty to the platform

Uh? Wow! Way to show them bastards. ;)

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