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The fact that Reddit thinks all that user-generated content is theirs and that they need to protect it from AI is really fucked up.
Reddit itself produces nothing, they wouldn't exist without the users.
Absolutely pathetic that they may block search crawlers over that.
It should be pretty simple: the user generated content are volunteered by the users for free on reddit, therefore the content should belong to the users.
Same thing as with AI, if an AI model is trained with everyone's data, then the AI model should be open and available to everyone.
Correct and the issue with their API gating was "Well they obviously value my free content. WHERE'S MY CUT?!"
Free API: I'm not going to complain. Paid API: Guess i'll use Lemmy
Reddit administration thinks the site is too big to fail. Lemmy isn't a real competitor to them because the decentralization of federation means that joining an instance and trying to navigate the fediverse is a bit too complex for most people. The reason why massively populated social media sites took off is because people like having everything in one place where everyone else is.
What I could see happening is a well-funded startup creates a fork of Lemmy that they use as the basis for their instance and they can customize and develop as they see fit. This instance would be accessible to everyone already on Lemmy, but they could offer one centralized alternative to Reddit where new users don't have to think about what they need to do to join.
I'm sure that if Lemmy picks up critical mass, it could lower the bar for most people to be willing to jump through the extra hoops. Ultimately federation solves the chicken and egg problem that any social media startup has.
Lol
Literally the only time I use reddit now that my 3rd party app got fucked by spez is when I Google a problem and reddit pops up as the answer.
Will I ever go to reddit and search for my issue? Hell no because their search function is absolutely useless.
Literally the one reason I still use Reddit is because appending site:reddit.com gives me actual results. Reddits' built-in search results are utter dog shit and you cant find anything. They'd just be shooting themselves in the foot for blocking Google
Literally the only reason why I still bump into Reddit even when I’m not trying to.
Here’s an example from real life. When I searched for “ipados brave yutube ads adblock”, I found some Reddit posts discussing the issue.
Spoiler: Ditch brave and switch to something else.
BTW, Reddit is currently in the “hold my beer” sort of state when it comes to shooting itself in the foot.
I'm at a loss for words. Surely, YouTube trying to Adwall would be the stupidest thing in social media history. Surely, Musk changing Twitter's name would be the stupidest thing. No, Steve Huffman has somehow managed to surpass the old masters. "We can survive without people being able to find our website VIA SEARCH RESULTS"! YOU. STUPID. MOTHERFUCKER.
The YouTube ad-blocker ban isn't stupid at all.
Something isn't a bad business decision just because you don't like it. That's now how business works.
"I won't watch videos at all if I can't view them without watching ads or paying money."
....Yeah. That's the idea. From a business perspective people who don't pay or view ads are leeches they're perfectly happy to burn off.
YouTube is perfectly happy if people who block ads go away. Do you really think your traffic is beneficial to them if you don't watch ads?
I mean, I hate it too, but it's obviously not a bad business decision.
This is the pattern dying companies follow.
I do not use a single social media site that requires me to sign in to view it.
They threaten to saw the branch they sit on.
Btw, greed and jealousy are cancers that eat the brain.
Jesus fucking christ. Why are they hell bent on destroying themselves.
The fact that Reddit is available from a search engine is one of the main reasons for its popularity imo.
Exactly, Google search itself is so enshittified you pretty much have to tag "reddit" at the end of every query to find any solution to a problem. Even my 55yr boss knows this and he's clueless about anything social media related.
Having tons of Google traffic to any company in would be a godsend, yet Reddit wants to ban it. What a fucking joke.
Literally the only time I ever use reddit is if it is a google result(stopped after 3rd party ban).
I thought the 3rd party app ban was bad but this is pure self destruction.
The best marketing they have is "I add Reddit to anything I search on Google!" This truly is 🤡 shit.
do Reddit admins think they have any kind of search function without using Google and site:reddit.com?
They think they have a great app without third party developers, so probably. :/
Look they've already cut off free API access. Here's some other ideas from the Muskrat playbook:
Maybe change the name to P.com
Change the logo to ₱ (surely the Mexicans won't mind that you're using the Peso symbol).
Hmm, why not also charge money to get a blue checkmark by your Reddit username to be a verified Redditor? or maybe call them P-ers?
Oh, how about charging new users $1 to use your platform?
So Reddit would go from a social open hub, the "front page of the Internet", to a walled garden? Ridiculous.
Isn't this an act of cutting off your face to spite your nose? I understand that Reddit wants to monetize it's for AI models. But if the content gets moved into a walled garden, and reddit's own search features don't improve dramatically, then what's the point of going to Reddit?
Without google (or any other external search engine) reddit will be a worthless heap. One key feature of reddit was that one could find a lot of good information in relevant subs. A real treasure trove. But you could only find stuff with external engines.
The internal search function was a worthless waste of bits that could not find anything relevant, even if it bit the search function in the a...
Alright y'all, this is the moment.
Time to go to all those Lemmy Communities about tech support and coding questions, and ask away/ give answers.
GO GO GO!!!
This is the opportunity of a lifetime!
This would be the literal death for my reddit Account. Only been using it when looking for answers online and stumbling upon reddit threads.
First Twitter, then reddit, to massive social platforms apparently trying to shoot themselves in the foot at every available opportunity. Never was a Twitter user, but sad to see reddit is likely in a slow death spiral.
are all these execs on crack ?
Desperate for cash. The free money (low interest rates) is drying up and the modern mantra of business in America is sustained growth for all eternity so they got to squeeze everything until it pops.
Idk if it's possible, but if someone with the resources to make a bot that slowly clone reddit posts to Lemmy, so instead of searching for "something + Reddit" we could search for "something + Lemmy", that would be the end of Reddit, at least for me.
I'm 100% on lemmy now, but occasionally when i need to troubleshoot my PC I still have to search on Google for Reddit posts and I hate myself for giving reddit traffic.
I miss the 2 dozens Cat Subs that flooded my feed with Cat memes and funny cat pics everyday. If anyone knows about any cat subs on Lemmy please reply here.
I am working on a bot that clones posts from reddit to lemmy It's for a community that wants to have a backup on lemmy in case reddit goes to complete shit But wouldn't we this way end up with a lemmy that is full of shit from reddit?
Lmao my brother in christ, nobody uses Reddit search because Reddit search is complete ass
They must’ve noticed an uptick in Google traffic. I’ve stopped using reddit for fun and only as a means to find solutions through search engine.
Starting to wish yahoo answers would come back.
this comment is aimed at those future "just passing through" visitors, who are still on the fence with regards to the fediverse.
any internet power user will know, and be able to tell you that the internet feels wrong as of late. everything that you try to use is slightly broken for some reason. why is it becoming harder to use basic services that we took for granted 5 years ago?
unfortunately, the internet is changing once again, and it's time to pick a side.
you can side with big corpo, stay in their walled ecosystems, and embrace enshittification.
or, you can side with the fediverse, break out of your silo, and take control of your own means of content participation.
the choice is yours.
if you like following concepts or "things" (reddit-style), then try here: https://join-lemmy.org/
or, if you prefer following individuals or "trends" (twitter-style), then try here: https://joinmastodon.org/
Reddit is only good for solutions though search results but do it anyway. Make it worse and worse until people start looking for alternatives.
Well that's a dumb fucking idea. Do it!
"The more you tighten your grasp, the more systems will slip through your fingers."
Damn still angry about that API?
It's funny seeing the corpos implode because they had record growth, which means nothing can match it in the coming quarters and therefore they're going to have to find someway to meet their stupid investor demands.
The only exemption is Twitter, which is just imploding because Elon is a dumbass and not because of greed.
I really, really hope this happens.
At first I thought this was just a bluff... Then I remembered "right! It's 2023! Our economic structures are imploding!"
But seriously, this would be great. At best, Google starts indexing cached versions and they get into a slugging match with Reddit as they both slide down the cliff, at worst Google and Reddit both become useless for all us technical folks, and after the immediate damage to knowledge, it'll become fragmented and open the door to new players still at the "don't be evil" phase of the inevitable path to "become an amoral orphan crushing machine".
Stack overflow and Reddit suck... But not intrinsically.
Especially since generative AI can spin out the basics of a site like that, making it an easy and better structured place for general reference, and draw in the expert discussion that leads to building very specific knowledge bases (and definitely not scrape that info from existing sites and rephrase everything to obscure the fact it's stolen info)
But the one thing we know for sure... Threatening Google to make a deal with all AI companies is "let's make everyone mistrust Twitter until we reach a trust underflow and everyone trusts it as a one stop financial platform + paid advertising posing as microblogging social media" levels of "gradeschoolers could have told you that makes no sense"
The original headline had Reddit "flatly deny" claims they were walling off their site to those who weren't logged in. Lmao, the company lied about the API and lied about Christian (Apollo's dev), of course they're going to lie about whether they'll wall off their site. Especially since the CEO is influenced by Elon who has walled Twitter off.
Lemmy: while you are at it... could you unblock us? Every search for anything on lemmy results in Lemmy Kilmister.
Is somebody going to tell them?
Bold move Cotton....but idk how many more "bold" moves he can afford.
It can't even survive with search.
This feels like a fairly desperate attempt to get Google to pay them something
