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[–] RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca 32 points 21 hours ago (15 children)

Goddamn right we should. Take the French up on the offer to build the Rafale here. Or the Swedes. And get a few demo units for short term.

Fuck 'em on any cancellation fees too. Consider it partial compensation for the ridiculous trade war.

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[–] Zer0_F0x@lemmy.world 134 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The US can remotely disable them whenever they damn well please anyway, and can not be trusted not to.

Everyone should be canceling their orders immediately, and disable the remote access capabilities to the ones they have.

[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 78 points 1 day ago

Nobody should have ever purchased military equipment with that feature.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 31 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Has it actually been confirmed they can do this? I would assume they backdoor them, but usually backdoors are secret.

[–] Shadow@lemmy.ca 37 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They require software updates for every mission, that are distributed from the US.

You can probably fly / use it without those, but you lose all the advanced command & control features

[–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Let me guess... microsoft designed it.

[–] Makhno@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

"It's military-grade"

[–] Brumefey@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

« You need to take off RIGHT NOW!Β Β» « I can’t . Upgrade in progress !Β Β»

[–] No1@aussie.zone 13 points 22 hours ago

Post on TechHelp:

"I keep hearing the missile connecting and disconnecting.

Has anyone got the latest driver for a Sidewinder AIM-9L?"

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 21 points 1 day ago (5 children)

They don’t function without phoning home to a US-controlled server every 24 hours.

[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 16 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Give is to Empress, she’ll knock out a crack in no time.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 3 points 15 hours ago
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[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Some high ranking US intelligence dude said something along the lines of that yeah. I dont think anyone has hacked into one of them to check or reverse engineer the code tho.

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[–] hddsx@lemmy.ca 57 points 1 day ago

American here. Who cares if it provokes Trump? Actions have consequences. Canada helped out a lot during 911. What did we do? Prove to be an unreliable partner

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 35 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

100% TODAY! Do not pay a fucking dime of any amount owing for these. (good job on Globe and Mail for a change)

FYI, the Israeli version of F35 does not have this "US permission for every flight required"

F35 is a POS plane, with low uptime, in addition to "broken ownership". Even US military does not get manuals on how to repair/maintain them and must hire Lockheed consultants to do the job. The whole program was a boondoggle to pay Lockheed the most money possible instead of getting good military equipment, and any corrupt POS that was involved in approving this purchase for Canada should be jailed for treason.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 13 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (3 children)

There's nothing stopping Canada from getting the manuals and patching the software. Most of the FUD about it's performance abilities is propaganda. So getting them and just locking out Lockheed and the US would be a pretty good middle finger too.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 7 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

The performance metrics are criticisize by US military journals.

There’s nothing stopping Canada from getting the manuals and patching the software.

If US military can't get them or patch the software, Canada can't either. Israel is special for not putting up with US BS.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

I haven't seen that. I've only seen blogs saying stuff. And if you have the literal hardware in your hands then changing the software isn't going to be hard as a country.

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 52 points 1 day ago

Any NATO member increasing their military spending would be idiotic to spend their money with US-based companies.

[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 57 points 1 day ago (1 children)

With tariffs hammering F-35 sales, I expect the next Eurofighter project will have a lot more resources. I wonder if Canada will get involved.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 44 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Sweden also offered to get us building our own Gripens totally locally. The page for the bid is even still up

I assume we already have pilots trained in flying the F-35 at this point, which sucks if we're never getting them, though.

[–] wirebeads@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This would be amazing for us to bring back military building here in Canada!!

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 10 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Especially since the Americans are the ones who convinced us they had enough fighter jets to take care of us so we could/should cancel the Arrow. :/

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[–] yannic@lemmy.ca 11 points 20 hours ago

The PM agrees with The Globe and Mail once and now they think they'll get two in a row?

[–] opi@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I don't think Canada should be basing their defense decisions on the opinion and thin skin of the American government. Trying to force Canada, in any way, to purchase F35's is fishy - not that that's happening, of course.

Canada's interests are for Canada. Not them. Also, maybe Canada should reboot their ventures into the Avro Arrow program again. That'll ruffle some feathers. Canadian engineered military = quite formidable, I think.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 13 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Canadian engineered military = quite formidable, I think.

Here's the bad news. It's not. Sure, we're good at peacekeeping, and we deploy to support (militarily) our allies. But we're using US gear and we're woefully underfunded because war budget has been declared a waste by even the parties who strut and posture about a strong military. We only needed to fulfill our NATO obligations, for decades, and even that has been a struggle we haven't won consistently with the low budget.

And while we're skilled enough and gung-ho, and our 1st Pioneers are about the most scary bunch of lumberjack commandos you'll ever see, there's just so few of them, and again their gear has been called old and out of repair by every administration campaigning because the last one never did a thing about it.

We're gonna need a lot of funding and training and gear to make up the shortfall in people and powpow toys, and that's a slice of gov pork that Milhouse is gonna latch onto knowing that he doesn't need an army once he gives the country over. Justin doesn't want to spend that, but he - and please God let it be Mark next - is really gonna have to.

But how do we sell it to the "hair guy bad" flatlanders steeped in 12 years of hating Justin for not being a pseudo-aristocratic milquetoast conservative?

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[–] arotrios@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Nah, y'all should accept delivery then refuse to pay. Give him a taste of his own medicine.

[–] ReanuKeeves@lemm.ee 44 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So take the planes, send Trump the bill, when he acts confused you tell him he should really be more grateful about this

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 27 points 1 day ago

"have you said thank you even once"

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I mean, without American replacement parts I don't know how flyable they are. Stiffing the US on something is an option for next play, though.

Edit: So, correction. Interestingly it looks like the US is actually dependent on others for parts itself, and Japan has a good helping of all the parts in the whole plane being built domestically, so maybe not all is lost there. (This link looks legit, but disclaimer that I'm unfamiliar with it and you can't always tell at a glance post-AI)

That being said, the software is definitely closed-source, and all their design.

A Trump never pays his debts

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[–] Franklin@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

ooh no, it might provoke the person who is back stabbing us at every conceivable opportunity

[–] Tramort@programming.dev 20 points 1 day ago

Hell yeah they should. We need to be able to defend ourselves against southern aggression, and the F35 is compromised based on what Trump himself threatened.

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