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[–] semisimian@startrek.website 1 points 3 hours ago

I'm still waiting for SNW to make the Gorn interesting. I know they're trying to retcon them as intelligent and threatening space explorers, technical marvels, etc. But the writers aren't selling the leap from xenomorph ripoff to mature Star Trek species.

I love the show and get what they're doing, playing with every genre of storytelling. The Gorn are obviously the horror genre, but again, how the hell are they a spacefaring species?

[–] data1701d@startrek.website 8 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I feel like as this goes on, this list just devolves into random Star Trek species.

I mean, the whole point of the Antedians and Breen is they’re total meme species.

I personally feel like one of the ACTUAL worst species in the franchise is LD’s Dooplers. While overall, the eponymous episode is great, probably one of the series bests, the Dooplers felt out of place. Usually, Lower Decks has a standard of doing things that are both ridiculous and plausible by Star Trek logic - in other words, the cartoon dial is usually set at 6 or 7 (unless it’s a hallucination), but I feel like the Dooplers were a jarring turn to a 10.

[–] themoken@startrek.website 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I never really thought about it, but you're right, the Dooplers are too over the top and only make sense in a cartoon context.

The Pandronians from TAS and LD (the species that effectively have three independent parts) also make no sense outside of a cartoon.

[–] data1701d@startrek.website 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I feel like the Pandronians aren’t as severe - maybe an 8. You could explain the floating in part as a naturally occurring anti-gravity system (which does canonically exist artificially).

I might be biased, though, in kn my Star Trek Adventures campaign, I have a Pandronian as my chief medical officer.

[–] themoken@startrek.website 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, at least they don't violate conservation of matter like the Dooplers appear to.

[–] data1701d@startrek.website 3 points 5 hours ago

I feel like they could have done several things to make them more realistic.

One option might have been instead making it a form of matterless telepathic project, with a bunch of the crew having to awkwardly walk inside these projections.

Another option might have been to make it so the Doopler behaves sort of like a replicator and uses materials from its environment to build clones. At first, the Cerritos life support systems would be able to keep up, but then, instead of the risk of being crushed, it could have instead been the risk of oxygen depletion or something as life support struggles to keep up. Granted, that would have made beaming the Doopler emissary onto the star base even more sadistic than it already was, so you'd have to find a way to revise them.

[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago (2 children)

On the contrary, Lower Decks made the Pakleds more than a one episode farce.

"Well, the Pakleds murdered the entire crew of the Solvang because everyone assumed they were a joke." - Captain Freeman

My personal headcanon has always been that the Pakleds are actually surrounded by some sort of intelligence dampening field. Because it’s like the crew gets dumber and misses basic things, just to have a reason to keep the drama going.

[–] socialjusticewizard@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I'm glad someone said this before I had to, thanks to Lower Decks pakleds are now easily the best C-tier star trek species.

Even before lower decks, "We look for things that make us go" is just an excellent meme.

Edit: Oh, this person is a first contact hater. While I don't disagree with eveyr one of their opinions, they can now be safely ignored as a general rule ;)

[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Having grown up with TNG as my intro to Trek, this First Contact besmirchment will not stand!

TBF it's only hated in implication but that's too much for me.

Not only that in the same section he goes on to say that Frakes could have taken notes from TMP on how to set up Insurrection which is just... the weirdest take, since IMO those movies suffer from almost the exact same problems that come from making a pretty mid episode into a feature film.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Disclaimer: My article posts do not necessarily reflect my views

I like all the trek movies up until the Kelvin timeline movies lmao

Any trek movie/episode that features self-destruct to completion and/or ramming a ship into another as last ditch effort is automatically S-tier in my book lolol

[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

From just the last 2 weeks, featuring 1 of each:

I don't blame you for the linked article. Although I can't agree with liking st5 or nemesis, I am entirely behind you on the ramming/self destruct part.

[–] MalikMuaddibSoong@startrek.website 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Throughout several episodes in the first two seasons of Enterprise, the Suliban draw Captain Archer into the Temporal Cold War. That sounds cool, but the execution of the Suilban falls flat, starting with their design. They look like they’re covered in cheap green foam, giving them an unsettling texture that reads cheaper than even the aliens of the original series.

Look how they massacred my boy

At least the Suliban villain, Silik, was pretty cool. Sometimes an enemy, sometimes a friend, always throwing shade 👌

[–] Infynis@midwest.social 1 points 15 hours ago

I like Silik, but their skin does look like roofing shingles lol

[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

D tier:

But the music is good.

[–] Zzyzx@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Come on, listing terrible aliens and the Ligonians aren't at the top of the list?

Didn't have space with the *checks notes* Banea and calling the Klingons on Discovery another species. 😹