I'm sorry, but right-wing is more than just voting to keep traditions. It's a restrictive, anti-rights deathcult in every way. It's really hard to see the upsides if you squint.

How does one discuss this with their "friends" who are terminally on X, think RFK jr and Carlson have "a lot of good ideas", and unironically calls anything regarding equality woke? I'm at a loss. And no I don't think the solution is "stop talking to them", that doesn't help us.

Absolutely. I regularly defend the idea that "left and right" -and just by naming politics this way- infers that both are valid directions, that one is an alternative for the other. This lie is perniciously embedded in language itself. Very early on, I was taught that the first step to solve a riddle was to question the initial statement : does it present things in a way that enforces/biases towards a certain outlook ? I think one fundamental action we as citizens can take to help bring down that mental barrier is stop calling politics with right and left. Call them bourgeois and revolutionary. Facist and cooperative. Alien and terrestrial. Anything else

We are almost at the guillotine stage so I don't buy into this left/right controlled by the elite idea, otherwise we would have been socially engineered better. Look more closely at greed and capitalism and you'll get closer to the truth. I could be wrong.

Luigi showed us the truth albeit temporarily

The right/conservative ideology IS the propaganda used to prevent the uprising lol.

I don't need to change the mind of someone so willfully ignorant of history.

Isn’t the error of this obvious based on the last three months versus the last four years?

Working class left and right likely do have way more in common than they realize, but the difference is not inconsequential for working class.

So you're saying lemmy political threads, including this one, are actually upperclass propaganda. Have to admit that's one angle I never thought of.

You mean right vs further right? Liberal vs Fascist? Bc those are two sides of the same coin

socialist agitprop has nothing to do with the distraction of the "culture war"

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There are significant differences, that we should never brush aside.

And also, we have much more in common than most realize, and we should find a way to work together on those things.

Insane take. Leftism is the side of the working class in the class war. The propaganda is that the opposite is true.

The right have completely bought into capitalist propaganda and because of that political solidarity with them is near impossible. For one to be free one must liberate their body and mind, if a populous frees themselves from capitalist oppression without class consciousness they will create a new capitalist class. We must educate them when possible but violently resist them when we must, sadly their alligence to tyranny will require resistance.

Yeah, lowering taxes for the rich and increasing taxes for the rich are really just two sides of the same coin! Privatisation? Nationalization? Potato potahto! Dumbest shit I've heard all night, and I listen to myself when I talk.

The idea of "middle class" is more relevant imo. There are only the rich parasites and the working class.

The term Left was literally invented to mean the French Revolutionaries, the people who used the guillotines!

There's a term for people who want to support the working class against the ruling class and it's "the left."

Democrats vs Republicans would be more accurate imo. OP, it sounds like you're not using left and right in the classical politcal sense, but in the way these terms are thrown around nowadays, especially in the US -- leftism being neoliberalism, and the right being...whatever it is now. Neo-conservativism? Both are right wing ideologies.

quick wikipedia snippet

In modern politics, the term Left typically applies to ideologies and movements to the left of classical liberalism, supporting some degree of democracy in the economic sphere. Today, ideologies such as social liberalism and social democracy are considered to be centre-left, while the Left is typically reserved for movements more critical of capitalism,[9] including the labour movement, socialism, anarchism, communism, Marxism, and syndicalism, each of which rose to prominence in the 19th and 20th centuries.

How do you unite with a group of people who want to deny other groups of people basic human rights?

The right works for the upper class, disguised as worker class

Democrats are right-wing, btw. Bernie or AOC are only adjacent to the party.