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Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).

Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word "Linux" in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.

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[–] carlytm@lemm.ee 79 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Do...do people really think Microsoft is stupid enough to kill off non-cloud based Windows? There are a lot of Windows users who, for either performance reasons, lack of reliable internet, etc. who would never get good use out of a cloud version. Microsoft is more than aware of this and there is no way in hell they'd shoot themselves in the foot like this.

[–] AnonTwo@kbin.social 23 points 1 year ago

They already tried to just kill win32. Not only did it fail miserably but it's the reason Valve started looking into Linux to begin with.

They're too locked in themselves to kill off non-cloud.

[–] featherfurl@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

Yeah microsoft is unlikely to pull the rug out from under windows users in one go, their strategy is much more likely to be pushing people in the direction they want to move computing slowly and incrementally over a number of years. They appear to want everyone who plays games, does office work, runs a business, or writes code to have a microsoft account, which they can then monetize in various ways using cloud services because that will be the main way they will deliver what people need.

I feel like we are in the middle period of this strategy.

[–] BigTrout75@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

I'm sure this will play out like the office 365 subscription service. Everyone I know uses it as work. Microsoft doesn't sell to IT people. They sell to middle management and finance departments. Ba ha ha ha.

[–] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

I also don't think there's any chance Apple would move to the cloud. They're a hardware company...

[–] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago

This. They might release a cloud version and work towards a future where that is the default, but realising that due future is several decades away.

Cloud only would be unworkable for say, 50% of Australians - I imagine that would be similar in most countries.

[–] beta_tester@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sry, Wrong top comment.

[–] Secret300@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I do actually. Not any time soon tho

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[–] Thorned_Rose@kbin.social 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's not because suddenly, everyone will realize that the Linux desktop is wonderful. Sorry, folks, if it hasn't happened by now, it never will.

I agree that there will never be a "Year of the Linux desktop" just simply because that's not how consumer switching works. There will never be one single year where a huge swath of people suddenly switch (short of some dystopian Windows virus or something). It will always be a trickle of more and more people slowly over time switching. Valve and Proton have certainly helped boost numbers in more recent years but it's still a trickle. Even if it picks up more momentum, it's still not going to be a tidal wave of users.

Why does it need to be? Plenty of products, systems, habits, customs, etc. have come from obscurity to mainstream over a VERY long period of time. It doesn't have to be a race.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

IDK, if there will ever be one, I think this year or next year is it. Steam Deck seems to have really hit the mainstream, and Linux is overtaking macOS in some stats. GNOME Wayland also works well and has finally solved my variable refresh rate issues (one monitor @60Hz, one with FreeSync at higher refresh). That's pretty amazing, and worth recognition!

I don't think Linux will ever become #1 on desktop, nor do I think that's the intention behind "the year of the Linux desktop." Linux as a desktop platform is as or more viable than macOS for a majority of users, and it's competitive with Windows for many if not most.

The only thing left for me is to see major software vendors natively support Linux. That means:

  • AAA games support Linux directly - kinda happening with Steam Deck
  • Adobe products - probably won't happen, but I can dream
  • Microsoft office - I guess cloud counts, but I'd like to see desktop client support like exists on macOS
  • another game store - EGS, GOG, Origin, Xbox Game Pass, should make a native Linux client

And so on. Once major software starts releasing on Linux, I think we've won.

[–] eu@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

GOG not having a native Linux client baffles me, like, there's this whole bunch of people who clearly care about software freedom and your store focusing on selling DRM-free games will just ignore them? Oh well. At least we have Heroic.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Exactly, and last I checked, it was the most highly upvoted feature on their user voice.

If they made a native Linux client that worked well on Steam Deck, they'd get a ton of customers. In fact, I'd switch from Steam to GOG for most of my purchases.

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[–] Gamey@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Looks like someone just discovered Linux after his Windows install fucked up and had to write about it...

[–] Simplesyrup@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

HAHAHA same, been using Ubuntu for 3 months, I'm so ticked off, someone never told me Linux excisted!!

[–] nitefox@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

looks like somebody didn't read the article

[–] victron@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago

Another day, another circlejerk post \o/

[–] azvasKvklenko@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

If you count Android and Chrome OS as Linux, which I do, the Linux desktop accounts for 44.98 percent of the end user market.

I don't. Simply because Android or ChromeOS apps are not compatible with GNU/Linux, thus they can't be treated as one platform that developers can't target directly all of it at once. Same the other way around - Linux apps can run on Android, but it requires containers and some way to display stuff (like a xserver or Wayland compositor running on top of Android).

[–] BaldProphet@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

Even if Android and ChromeOS count as Linux, it's a stretch to say they're Linux desktop distributions. ChromeOS is closer to it than Android.

[–] sunred@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago

This is actually a really great point. If I have to treat them as different platforms as a developer, since for example my code isn't platform agnostic/cross-platform for whatever reason, why should these market share studies do it any different? In the end it's the software or rather the developers/companies deciding if it's worth their time and money investment these market shares matter for.

[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 1 year ago

well I don't count android as linux, so no.

If I had to replace my linux desktop with an android "desktop" I'd probably abandon general purpose computing completely. Windows is still infinitely better than android on a desktop.

Some people use their desktop to get shit done, not just to doomscroll passively

[–] beta_tester@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Hmm...

If you count Android and Chrome OS as Linux, which I do

Those are not gnu. I care about gnu, not linux, gnu. I can't even change the fucking size of my tiles on my pixel from huge to normal... i want freedom

That's not because suddenly, everyone will realize that the Linux desktop is wonderful. Sorry, folks, if it hasn't happened by now, it never will.

GNOME hasn't been that beautiful and easy to use as nowadays. When I show it to people, they love it. No joke!

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[–] cobra89@beehaw.org 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Sorry but Android != Desktop. It's literally in the name. No one is running Android as their desktop OS, except for the 7 Dex users on the planet.

[–] erwan@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Not only it's not Desktop, the Linux kernel is buried under such an alien user space that it's has nothing to do with a Linux Desktop.

[–] gendulf@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

The article is dumb. It states:

If you count Android and Chrome OS as Linux, which I do, the Linux desktop accounts for 44.98 percent of the end user market.

Linux != Linux desktop, and that's the point of the article, but in their premise they're equating them.

[–] flashgnash@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

I used Dex for a while as a software developer, it works surprisingly well for most office tasks and at the company I was working at at the time we did most of our work in cloud VMs anyway

With everything moving to the cloud it's going to become more and more attractive to just have a tablet (with a keyboard case) instead of a laptop/pc and just dock it when you need peripherals I think

That said that's good for those of us wanting to use Linux as our desktops because we'll be on basically the same playing field as all the windows users if they go entirely cloud based. No longer any need to use onlyoffice/libreoffice (I like them but my manager seems to think they aren't fully compatible with office files that we get from clients )

[–] makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Hey I dex from time to time. However, the shortcut keys, or lack of, are the big issue for me.

What a dystopian future for Windows.

[–] shortwavesurfer@monero.town 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Whats old is new again. Anyone else hear "cloud pc" and think "oh, mainframes" from the 80s? Mind i never used one, but thats where my mind went.

[–] space@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

Mainframes peaked by the 70s. 80s bored the fruit of the standalone PC revolution.

My very first thought. At the same time, it brought to mind stories of Richard Stallman's "blank password" protest shenanigans...

[–] samsy@feddit.de 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sounds good to me, I would just deploy linux clients and the end-users can do their "365 cloud stuff" online on it.

What a Linux sysadmin dream, I love it.

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[–] whou@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"bro, just trust me, ~~2020~~ ~~2021~~ ~~2022~~ 2023 will be the year of the Linux desktop!"

[–] space@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

We've been hearing this since 1999.

[–] ramble81@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Keep going back much, much further. I remember hearing that phrase back in the early 2000s, and wouldn't doubt it if if was referenced as early as 1999.

[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

how many people live in an area where the internet is not good enough for Daas.

[–] ChillPill@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If you believe the service area maps provided by most US ISPs, not that many.

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[–] ptmb@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As much as I'd love to see Linux become a big player in the market, this article is completely wrong on why Microsoft is selling Windows in the cloud and the ultimate result of it.

My bet is that Windows in the cloud is being developed and will be targeted to enterprise clients that already use similar solutions for having secure environments for their employees, such as Citrix or VmWare solutions, or RDP desktops.

They don't want to kill the desktop with the cloud, they want to steal market from older enterprise big players and increase their cloud dependency among businesses.

[–] matsnake86@feddit.it 3 points 1 year ago

I agree, but I also believe that Windows desktop will become increasingly closed and limiting for those who don't use the Enterprise versions or the new pro edition.

[–] greybeard@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

Windows 365 is a contingent against the growth of mobel and MacOS. You are right, it is there for business. It competes with other RDS solutions, but I think the focus is to allow business to keep old tools around while everyone is demanding iPads and MacBooks, without having to go to a third party.

Windows 12 won't be a thing client with a subscription to a cloud PC. The economics and technology aren't there. But a good RDS solution tied strongly to M365 is valuable for Mac users and contractors that might not be issued a company computer.

[–] terminhell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago

This is becoming more common in the enterprise. And it makes so much more sense in that environment (and where M$ makes most of their money - business side, not consumer).

The consumer market would be trickier to implement with this model. Large portions of the US are still stuck with trash tier isp service.

Oh wow! Along with my newly implanted BCI microschip this seems perfect! :)

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