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In 2007, Canada started requiring all vehicles to have a cheap, effective anti-theft device. The U.S. didn't. Now, it is paying the price with a surge in Kia and Hyundai thefts.

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[–] OtisRamflow@lemm.ee 99 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"In 2005, Transport Canada, a federal agency, decided to do something about it. Starting in 2007, it declared, all passenger vehicles sold in Canada would require an engine immobilizer, a basic anti-theft device that uses an electronic signature in the key to unlock the engine. If the key isn’t present, the car can’t be started. This prevents hot wiring and other old-school, brute force methods of stealing cars."

Saved you a few min.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because it allows car makers to save $5 on each car and pass the savings along to their bank accounts.

[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is what blows my mind. Like, cars cost tens of thousands of dollars. No one is going to balk at an extra $5 bucks for this feature. If nothing, it’s worth the cost to the manufacturer in PR terms. Now Hyundai/Kia have a bad reputation for car thefts. I’m sure avoiding that would have been worth the $5.

[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Congress: Does this regulation cut our wealthy ~~briber's~~ "donor's" taxes?

Well no, but it...

Congress: Let us just stop you right there, kindly fuck off. Oh and remember, we're the thin blue/red line between you and oblivion, so remember to re-elect us you stupid fucking sucker poories.

[–] TurboDiesel@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

I mean, maybe it's because engine immobilizers have been standard equipment since 1998, and Hyundai/Kia are the only marques that chose to buck the trend? My family's Mercury had an immobilizer... in 1995.

[–] argo_yamato@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That would require US politicians to ignore various lobbies (and their $$$) and focus on consumer protections. Don't see that happening.

It would require politicians to actually do something, literally anything, that wasn’t motivated by money or meta-political pageantry. Far too much to ask.

[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Article says it simply never occurred to the US that it should require immobilizers.

[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)

In what people call the greatest nation in the world, thousands of regulators simply never thought of the idea of an immobilizer which is something that was already available on a lot of cars. Sure.

More likely is that auto manufacturers bitched that it would make cars too expensive and it should be voluntary while donating to some legislators campaign.

[–] Fosheze@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

To be fair, immobilizers were standard at the time. Every manufacturer was already using them because using an immobilizer is just common sense. So making a law requiring them to use immobilizers would be like making a law requiring people to wipe their asses. It would have just been seen as useless because everyone is already doing it and who in their right mind would suddenly just stop wiping their ass. It's only fairly recently that kia and huandai have suddenly lost their minds and decided to walk around with shit covered asses. Also from what I've seen every judge that has looked at the issue is already ruling against them because not including an imobilizer is so willfully stupid that it's gross negligence.

[–] Weslee@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They probably wanted to make it an add-on charge that they could add 1000% markup on

[–] Pretzilla@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Well they still could, but that would invite attention and regulation.

Maybe they don't mind them stolen so their customers take the insurance payout and buy a new one.

[–] Blamemeta@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

No, every other car maker has them, has had them for decades.

Its like not putting a padded seat in your car. Its so stupid that you wouldnt even think to make a law about it.

[–] bizzle@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Why should the government have to mandate anti-theft devices? Surely the manufacturer should do the right thing regardless of legislation. Hyundai/Kia failed here, not the government (for once).

[–] IamSparticles@lemmy.zip 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would think this is a perfect example of why the government has to step in sometimes. Hyundai/Kia failed, and because there's no regulation in place here, consumers are left holding the bag with no penalty for the corporations.

[–] fred-kowalski@artemis.camp 14 points 1 year ago

Agreed. To add, Car loans in the US come standard minimum 60 months, often longer. It's not a liquid market where consumers can switch easily once they've made a buying decision. In my family, we keep cars roughly the same amount of time it takes to rear a newborn to college age. There is very little interaction with "the market".

[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A company has only one legal responsibility: To generate as much profit for their shareholders as possible.

If they are not forced to do something that will add costs, they will not do it.

The role of government is to pass laws to force companies to do what is in the best interest of the country's citizens.

[–] Bluskale@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

To generate as much profit for their shareholders as possible.

Even that is not really their legal responsibility… if you’re thinking of their fiduciary duty, that means there is a responsibility to act in the best interests of the corporation & shareholders (rather than, eg, putting personal gain forefront). “Best interests” doesn’t necessarily mean “make the most money possible right now”, particularly if it can be argued that there would be long term damage to brand reputation etc by doing so.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

Companies don't do the right thing out of the kindness of their hearts, especially if doing the right thing hurts the bottom line. They need to be forced.

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Capitalism forces companies to do the profitable thing, not the right thing. So let's abolish capitalism first and then we'll discuss how people who make cars should do the right thing

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 4 points 1 year ago

I mean... this story is exactly why. Which part of it didn't you understand?

[–] tinkeringidiot@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I mean yes, but also no. Engine immobilization is good, but it’s easily defeated with $40 worth of electronics and a little know-how (which car theft gangs have and is well documented in the news already).

Immobilizers might stop idiots on tiktok but modern vehicles are more electronic than mechanical, and are built with no concept of security so there are plenty of vulnerabilities for dedicated thieves to use.