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This argument is 30years out of date. I haven't installed antivirus software since WindowsXP. And I don't think it was necessary for an experienced user then.

Clamav?

Please stop oretending Linux was imune to viruses. A virus can do many things, perhaps even more on Linux than it could on Windows.

Not running an AV only borks because viruses nowerdays are much less common, especially if you follow some best practices (Adblock, no piracy sites, recognize sketchy stuff).

I recently learnt you can fully delete your root account. Can that fully deter viruses? (Assuming viruses need root access to cause damage)

Honestly, I use Linux and I need VirusTotal scans for side-loading .deb packages. It's because I'm not a coding expert, auditing every code of the packages before installing it. So, I think it's myth that Linux do not need antivirus or anti-malware. We have other different approaches too such as using anti-malware DNS servers.

A single .sh file with exec permission that asks for sudo will easily download appimage keyloggers and then set a cron job to run it every X time to keep it alive and sends it all to whatever remote location. Or whatever else you let the appimage do.

95% of regular users will double click that, and then write their pass in the popup without blinking twice and that will work in most Linux systems.

Most viruses don't target Linux, sure, but that's wishful thinking. Always be creful with what you run.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_malware

Linux users are always one bad app from being completely scammed

Linux has viruses. Always protect yourself..

ClamAV in the corner, visibly annoyed

Everyone should think about threats to their data. Cloud backup and laptops better be encrypted, services with open ports be shielded. Linux viruses do exist, especially for android and routers. But also whatever system has an outdated dokuwiki open in the wild is a welcome addition to a botnet. The value of a botnet is in number of infected systems and you don't need root access to mine monero or take part in a ddos on a machine. Linux security is sincerely undervalued. Selinux, the grsec kernel patches, chrootjail, tripwire... do exist, but are a hassle to setup and maintain. The new container options are nice (docker or flatpack) having your webbrowser contained is not a bad idea.

Update your router, your desktop is spoiled for updates. I stop my 1 am ramblings here.

A few years ago I found a text (probably as image) where somebody ‘tried’ to run a virus on linux. It went something like this:

Wanted to install a virus on Ubuntu, but it was only available as an aur package. Tried converting. Didn’t work … Tried make virus, but didn’t work. Upgraded cmake, tried again, but some libraries were missing.

Tried installing libraries, but they were very outdated and I couldn’t find proper versions.

Checked the source to see what the libs were doing and replaced them.

and so on.

Does someone know what I’m talking about and possibly has the source?

An antivirus is mostly just a blacklist of known malware. Sometimes heuristics are used such as 'this piece of software isn't installed on many PCs, and it appears to be doing shady stuff like, monitoring keystrokes or listening to your microphone'. But unless your antivirus is actually sentient there's no way for it to really distinguish between a chat application that listens to your microphone so you can talk to your friends / monitor your keystrokes to know when you've hit the push-to-talk key, and a piece of actual malware that intends to spy on you and blackmail you.

What you have with a package manager is a whitelist of programs that have been selected by your distro maintainers. Is it completely impossible for someone to sneak malware into a distro's repository? No, but its a lot easier to maintain a list of known good software than it is to maintain a list of known bad software. And in that situation your antivirus isn't going to help you anyway, since the people maintaining its malware list aren't going to magically know that something is malware before the distro maintainers do.

So, generally, just using your package manager instead of running random shit you find online is going to be a lot better than any antivirus. With things like Wayland and Flatseal becoming more common we're heading towards a situation where fine-grained per-package permissions will become the standard way distros do things, making antivirus even more unnecessary.

We should have done that a long time ago, as the security model of 'any program you run can do anything you can by default', then blacklist the ones that inevitability abuse that privilege, is completely backwards.

As someone who may obtain games and shows/movies through less than rights holder approved methods, ClamAV is a necessity.

Not having inter-distro binary compatibility is a blessing in disguise.

I just switched to linux and totally forgot about this. Do I really not need one? 99% of what I do is steam gaming anyway so I'm not too worried, worst case I just format and reinstall, but still...