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Private property? Freedom of speech? Freedom to breed? Freedom of thought?...

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[–] hahattpro@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Merge mind. That it.

I want all people on earth link their mind, to become one.

Because most of hardship, miserable i had in my life was cause by another.

If we link our mind, each each of a "body" as our own, they we are much better happy and archived more than what we are now.

[–] rainrain@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So you'd sacrifice individuality? That's a good scifi one.

If The internet gets good enough with chips in our head and everything. I guess that's what we'd basically have. Access to each other's memories and senses. Just ghosts and an internet of flesh

[–] hahattpro@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

If you play Sellaris, there are hive mind ascension. So a civilization might be once individual like human, but in the end, they become hive mind. By psychic enlightenment, or by machine augmentation, or by genetic manipulation ...

[–] NONE_dc@lemmy.world 49 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Billionaires, to the god Quetzalcoatl.

I think we could sacrifice billionaires to Peppa Pig and it'd still get the job done.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm the guy dancing in this image

[–] TheGuyTM3@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Hey can you tell me what’s the source of this please? Seems interesting

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[–] Nemoder@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Convenience.
Sadly it is something far fewer people are willing to give up than any of the above.

[–] actionjbone@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It really depends on the kind of convenience.

Some conveniences are easier to give up, especially if giving them up will benefit others.

[–] a_new_sad_me@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Example: if we are willing to walk around with smartphones that are 5mm thicker and 50g heavier, and a bit less slick in design, we can fix them instead of buying new ones. This kind of things. And we are not even willing to give that up.

This guy speaks about this (I'm not sure if this is the right video)

https://youtu.be/nrv45bvP8qo

[–] lattrommi@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago

Who is "we"? You got a mouse in your pocket or something? I absolutely would make that sacrifice. I hate smartphones. I didn't own one until 2020 and only ended up with it because some scumbag salesman tricked my aging mom into buying it and adding a new number on her account under contract. So she gave it to me. I wish smartphones would go away. They are as "smart" as AI is "intelligent". I've gone without a car most of my life, i've never had netflix/instagram/amazon/twitter/etc accounts, I didn't have internet for the first 15 years as an adult and I am ready to give these things I have now that I don't want, which are somehow mandatory to participate in life these days. The prospect of getting rid of it all and trying my hand at hermit life or as a hobo grow stronger every day.

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the ability to lie and "falsely claim".

imagine everybody is stricken with that boy's wish from "liar liar"

sure there would be a bunch of hurt feelings, but maybe the better world can compensate?

[–] Majestic@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 week ago

Private property isn't a sacrifice. I don't own any.

There's a difference between personal property and private property. Private property is a mall, is a factory, is machinery at your workplace. Personal property is your toothbrush, your Playstation, your Television, your blender, your set of German knives, your computer, your books, etc.

Freedom of speech has never existed. The illusion of it has been allowed to be stronger or weaker in various places at various times, if your speech is no threat it's often allowed, it's when it's a threat that suddenly the freedom vanishes and hides behind excuses like national security or illegal ideologies, etc.

I question how you would get rid of freedom of thought without some sort of hellish brain implants being made mandatory so it's an odd thing to mention.

I'd be willing to sacrifice an awful lot of fascists, reactionaries, and an awful lot of enabling liberals. I'd be willing to sacrifice bourgeoisie. The expropriation of their private property is not a sacrifice but a necessity for things being held in common trust for the people.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Conservatives.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 week ago (7 children)

A better world wouldn’t require sacrificing freedoms.

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[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

The landlords.

There are a lot of them so it would be exhausting work to behead them all myself but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make

[–] Terevos@lemm.ee 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It won't be a better world if there's no private property or freedom of speech or freedom to breed or freedom of thought.

The instant these freedoms are forfeited, the world becomes worse.

[–] m532@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 week ago

No private property = better world for everyone (bourgies dont count)

[–] spittingimage@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Every last person working to make it a worse world.

[–] ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Out of the ones you listed, freedom to breed

[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 3 points 1 week ago

Provided they don't touch freedom to not breed, and we don't put racist ducks in charge, I think that works be the easiest for me to bear.

But I don't want kids, so it's not much of a sacrifice.

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[–] dzso@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I'd sacrifice social media algorithms. Delete them all.

[–] jnod4@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago

Also ban advertisements

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[–] DerArzt@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Some billionaires

[–] LucJenson@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago

I don't particularly want to be remembered for anything in my life. I don't need fame or standing. I dedicate my life to trying to improve people's lives as a teacher. I'd give my life if it meant everyone would live a significantly better life forever.

[–] nicgentile@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Vanity projects.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

How much better we talking here?

[–] rainrain@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Super better. All the important stuff free and top quality. Moonbase.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago

I'll let you have my cats but you have to take both because they're family. And I get to visit.

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[–] arotrios@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Trump.

Edit: QuarterSwede beat me to it, so I'll go for Musk as a close second.

[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

How much better of a world? I'd be happy with half of what I have if it meant literally everyone else in the world could have that much, certainly. Move 4 more people into the house and give up half the money, half the clothes, my car, of course I would do that if it brought the same level of wealth to every single person, it would be not great at first but wow can you imagine how fast it would get better, if nobody was terribly poor? I'd bet that by the time I was old we'd personally be better off than before the split.

[–] vfreire85@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

my chains. i've nothing else to lose.

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[–] NastyNative@mander.xyz 5 points 1 week ago

We dont need to give up anything we just need change. Regulations are what keeps capitalism from killing us all and this planet. We have allowed deregulation to put us in this spot and its going to get worst.

[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)
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The trump family grifters and all their sycophantic (lookin' at you Lindsay Graham) enablers

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's hard to imagine a world with no freedom of thought being better, somehow.

In practice, I doubt we'll ever have to sacrifice much more than we already have. (Which is actually a significant amount. For example, until recent history living on a schedule was for ascetics and flagellants)

[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A better world would imply that its better even when considering the sacrifice, meaning that any sacrifice would be worth it

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[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Private property. I don't actually want to own things for the sake of owning things, I want a stable and reasonably comfortable life. In the current system, the only way to reliably achieve that is to own the things you need in your life. But if the system were such that you could live a decent life without owning a thing, I'll take that.

And that is with the interpretation of private property as literally any possession you can own. If we go by the socialist interpretation of private property as property used to generate capital, I already have no private property and neither do most people here.

My car and my motorcycle. The motorcycle in particular hurts a bit more because that leans more into the sport and pleasure (cars do it for me too, but I like the MC more). I live in the US so no decent public transport for me. I'd have to walk about a half mile to get to the closest stop to my house. Closest drop off to my work still means another walk of two miles. Side walks are a bit lacking too. Not to mention that the scheduled for the bus is a bit too limited for what I need.

I love driving for fun, in particular on the MC, but that is getting to. Having to? That sucks and is kind of bad for the environment.

[–] m532@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 week ago

Private property for sure, as I don't have any.

Freedom of speech too, as I don't have any.

[–] fakir@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago

If you're not free, the world isn't free.

[–] hbar@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

Burger King's Chicken fries

[–] DevotedOtter@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago

Those are all things that can make a better society. Why do they need to be given up?

[–] Eiren@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 week ago

Define better.

[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
  1. The concept of a family
  2. Freedom to pick your own job (Government assigned positions)
  3. Ability for me to be anything above lower-class
  4. Nationalism and pride in a Culture
  5. Accelerated Global Warming
  6. My intelligence becoming below average
  7. Every human lifespan is halved
  8. Research of Space and Regression of Rocket Technology (forever sub-sound)
[–] obscureprodigy@pawb.social 2 points 1 week ago

emotionally, i want to say any and everything including my life, but i know that is merely talk until i have something deadly to face. however, i truly believe there isn't a single human rights issue not deserving of risking it all. but i am cowardly because i am fearful and insecure. i don't believe in myself although i try to. i have given up personal comforts for those i don't know and my friends, but am i ready to face something as severe as prison or being sent to a camp? i want to say "yes, of course," but.. idk. i know if our culture became more radical and revolutionary then i would feel ideological support from those around me and would be more willing to engage.

[–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 week ago

everyone with a net worth of over $1 million

though i would do that for air miles tbh

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