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If MAGAts were going to change, they would have. They are only "feeling bad" because something King Dipshit has done is affecting them now.
They will continue to vote for republikkkans and continue to drag our society backwards or at least be a stone around the neck of progress.
Do not trust or forgive. If they want to do some good now, ofc let them, but don't be fooled. They've shown who they really are.
Anyone who is catastrophically stupid enough to be swayed by someone like Trump is not a potential ally. They are, at best, a liability.
Being cordial with them is fine, working with them to protest right now is fine.
But let's not forget that they are at best temporary allies. That don't actually share any values, they're just upset that the administration isn't hurting the right people.
There will be a scant few that truly not vote for a Republican and that's about the best you can expect, be prepared that they continue to vote hard R in the end.
They're the "independents".... they'll vote for whoever comes along and tells them what they want to hear and they'll not investigate further.
This is why Bernie got so close. Trump's messaging is cathartic for them. "We're gonna get the guys who did this to you!" Trump yells, standing behind the guys that did this to them.
Bernie's messaging was "Shit has been bad for a long time. Let's fix it. Tell me your problem and we'll work something out. The rich fucked you over. We're gonna make them pay taxes."
Dems if they want to stay one party, need to find that messaging again. Hell Dwight D Eisenhower could get elected as a dem these days.
Shit's fucked.
A University of Massachusetts-Amherst poll of 1,000 people from early April found that just 2% of Trump voters say they regret their choice and wish they had voted differently.
Jesus Christ...
The reality is that a person in a cult leaves it quietly. At the start of the process, they have doubts and fears but repeat the mantras about how they're still absolutely a member of the cult.
And we're seeing that. We're seeing people upset about what's happening, yet claiming they still support him. That's what a person leaving a cult actually looks like – doubt, self-assurance, and then quietly quesstioning it whilst acting to their peers that they're still believers. They're not necessarily aware that this is the beginning of them leaving, many want their leader to reassure them of those doubts, and get slowly unsettled when they don't.
If you ask them point-blank if they renounce their faith, they're not willing to admit it publicly. That's too real. They'll just slowly fade away, and try to live like it didn't happen.
Which means if you want people to leave a cult, you have to let them do it quietly. Even if its hard, if you're angry and want to punish them. If they're giving up a community they know accepts them, it won't be to join a community that never will.
I hope you're right... However, history has shown that these people vote and they always vote R, no matter how awful the party is. It seems really hard to get them out of that habit.
And most of them would rather die before voting for someone with a "D" next to their name.
Just wait for the store shelves to empty this month. That number will go up.
It's a cult. I'm not surprised.
I'm really really sorry, now that the leopards are eating my face....
Shouldn't be turning people away that are apologetic, but don't think the path to victory lies there. All the people that are sitting out elections are the ones that should be targeted. So few of eligible voters are actually doing so.
I keep talking to people who didn't vote and they keep saying it's because neither candidate represents their interests.
Maybe we should be 'targeting' the establishment simps that keep nominating establishment candidates?
Trump only won because Bernie lost, for example. How come we don't blame the people who nominated hillary clinton?
Oh it think everybody, except the twenty people that told her she was going to be president, do in fact blame those 20 people.
But I think most of the democratic voters are going to choose the lesser of two evils (would be beautiful to vote for someone), so getting a candidate that gets more non-voters to show up is way better than getting people to change their politics. I would guess that would mean more progressive policies anyway, as those tend to have a greater impact on most people's lives.
not hating misled trump voters is actually a really good idea and more people need to try it
not saying that the actually insane ones arent worth hating, but some people are just maga bc everyone they know is
Everyone makes mistakes, those that can admit it are rare. Those that can forgive rarer still. And both should be role models.
What should we do with the ones who voted to hurt others but now want to change sides because they're being hurt too? Should we ignore the very likely possibility they'll jump right back to the other side when the Republicans backpedal just enough to no longer look so blatantly shameless? Let them turn against Trump on their own, I just want to keep my distance from these people before they likely disappoint us in the next election cycle.
Disagree if you want, but I've felt this way and have been saying some variation of this (but perhaps not as eloquently) pretty much since November of 2024.
Granted, in the immediate wake of the election, even I didn't think things would be this way, at least not so soon. As soon as he took office, anybody with half a brain cell could see, first-hand sans conjecture, just how much of a disaster we were in for. I was like, at this stage, we're going to have to root for the hamberders to do their thing and in the mean time we're going to have to turn the other cheek and accept those Trump voters who come to regret their vote. If there are enough of them, and they genuinely see an apology as a path out of the cult, there's a better chance of turning things around.
That's the right thing to do. Making it easy for people to accept that they were wrong makes it much easier to pull support from the opposing party. If you constantly ridicule, mock or insult them, they are much more likely to stick with their opinion simply because they do not want to accept that you were right.
A vast majority on lemmy should learn this aswell.
A vast majority on lemmy should learn this aswell.
from what i’ve seen, yes people are angry but people are willing to accept apologies that aren’t based entirely in leopards eating faces… you don’t get a pass for your shitty ignorant behaviour just because that behaviour comes to bite you in the ass
you get to apologise and have it accepted if you’ve seen the harm that’s been done to other people and are genuinely remorseful
Getting apologies would be nice, but it starts with acceptance. Right now, if a Trump voter can accept that they messed up or were led astray, and they can be convinced to join the resistance, that's all I care about. I care less about hearing an "I'm sorry" than I do about having more people on the streets today - actions speak louder than words, and to turn down someone who's joined our side over something as petty as "Have you apologized yet?" would do little more than push people away.
We need a united front right now, and just as former Trump voters have to suck up the bad feelings of having contributed to this mess, we have to hold off on purity-testing our fellow protesters and accept that to fight the oligarchs, it takes all of us, regardless of our feelings toward each other.
If they're genuinely apologetic and recognize they made a terrible choice, then yes... Welcome back to reality.
Yall maybe forgiving but not i any and all Trump voters are traitors. Because you cannot stand there and listen to this man commit sedition
Say shit like "i have a concept of a plan"
And still slap knee "gosh darn it that is the man I must vote for president what a patriot!"
Fuck that. Cowards all of them. Every single one in gov. And every single voter.
Remember the women who slept with Nazis and after the war? That's Trump supporters.
There is a path to redemption, and recognizing your past mistakes is part of that.
That’s fantastic. This encourages taking personal responsibility over their action. I think it’s important to allow people to learn and grow, without the shame. Shame keeps people locked into their false beliefs. The more apologetics we have, the faster change will come. With that said, don’t forget these people. They still have fucked up beleifs.
Fucked up beliefs that are rooted in fear of losing what little they have. The class war affects them as much as us, and the more people who realize it, the more well equipped for revolution they'll be
lol. This author has never been on lib lemmy. The "resistance" is mostly just leopard jokes. Not much to offer victims...
Instead of "if you're not with us, you're against us",
It's "as long as you're against them, you can be with us."
And frankly, that's what we need right now.
First past the post voting is fucking garbage but this is how you're supposed to engage it; it's NEVER EVER EVER EVER going to be good for supporting the lesser of two evils.
Instead, the best thing it can ever do is punish the greater evil
And these are VERY DIFFERENT GOALS.
If people were voting to punish the Trump campaign, Kamala would have won.
Notably, people very much voted to punish Kamala instead. Even the ones on the left. And boy did we show her -_- now we ALL get to suffer.
Peak pro-genocide lib privilege.
Too bad I don't know any that stop drinking the kool-aid (flavor aid), they still think that hurting liberals makes hurting conservatives worth it.
I think there's a difference between someone who voted trump and realized they fucked up in a like deep , systemic, way, and someone who doesn't like this specific implemention of right wing stuff.
Like, if they regret trump but keep voting R, that's not good.
As much as it's fun to say fuck you I told you so, you catch more flies with honey. We need to make it easy to leave the cult and not make people double down just because they feel ashamed or feel like they have to defend something. The goal, while enticing, is not to rub people's nose in the shit they admittedly helped create. The goal should be to get rid of this motherfucker and reverse everything he's done.