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I think Ben gets in. I think Matty Ice does not. I am genuinely not sure about Rivers.

I feel like the line has to be Stafford

Big ben is getting in. Its probably not gonna be first ballot but he will get in eventually with those superbowl rings and long career. Ryan and Rivers though...I feel like theyre right at the borderline of great player and hall of fame player. If either had a ring, I feel like it would be a shoo in. Maybe in a particularly weak class they might make it 10+ years down the road or senior comittee.

The thing is I think the actual line is Eli, since I get the sense that's more polarizing and closer to 50-50 (maybe more like 40 in favor-60 against), whereas I feel the Ryan-Roethlisberger-Rivers area is a more secure tier where at least 2 if not all 3 of them will get in eventually even if it's the "wait 10 years in the backlog" kind of induction. They love to have QBs in their classes wherever they can get them and they're all defensible cases.

Ryan and Rivers should go in together as Colts.

Matt Ryan and Rivers aren't even close imho.

I'm thinking Ben and Matt are locks. I'd have Rivers a notch or two below, not sure it he makes it.

I also think Eli Manning is a lock BTW, didn't notice you talking about him.

I feel like you can only put so much weight into counting stats in the modern era.

I know I'm a homer, but Ben seems like a sure fire lock to me. Two SB wins, a third appearance. The only QB in the group above with that many is Brady.

I think Rivers gets in before Matt Ryan. Rivers played 2 more seasons, they have similar yardage, Rivers has the edge in touchdowns, and Rivers has a 0.558 record where Ryan has 0.532.

I know Ryan has a Super Bowl appearance where Rivers does not, but that didn't end all too well for Ryan. Reads like a black smudge.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see Ryan and Rivers both get in. Just may take a while.

Eli would be surprising...

I love Philip Rivers. No way he gets in.

In an ideal world only the elite of the elite get in, so Brady, Brees, & Rodgers. Realistically Ben and Eli will also get in. Rivers and Ryan (and Stafford and Russ) should not get in.

It's not all about stats. Bradshaw barely threw more TD's than INT's over his career and he was a solid HoF lock (different era, yes). Rings do count, but so do "flashy" stats. Ben's 4 games over 500 yds passing is one of those for example.

Brady is an obvious lock. Rodgers is a lock. Ben is a lock. Eli gets in because of beating Brady in the Super Bowl twice. Brees gets in on performance/stats/records. Rivers has a shot but a slim one. Ryan is out.

I think 28-3 and 33-0 keeps Matt Ryan out of the hall. To me those overshadow his one exceptional season.

Rivers is worthy, the Chargers weren’t good enough for him, and they continue to fail an equally talented QB today. If you can have the number 1 offense and defense but go 8-8 and miss the playoffs that’s on the organization.

I think the real debate here is whether Eli’s 2 rings get him in before Ben despite Ben being objectively more successful in all other measures.

Joe Namath has awful numbers, even by the standards of the time. He is in for that SB win and general notoriety. Eli Manning will get in on the same criteria.

The only eligible multi time Super Bowl Champion QB not in the Hall is Jim Plunkett. Eli is getting in if people like it or not. People consider Ben a lock but he's got the distinction of having the worst performance of a winning QB and one of two multi time winners with no Superbowl MVP(other is Bob Griese).

Roethlisberger, character issues aside, is probably in. It's pretty clear that the NFL doesn't worry about sexual assault, so barring a sea change on that, he'll go first ballot. 2 rings, prolific rookie career, 6 Pro Bowls, AP Rookie of the Year, etc, etc, multiple 500 yard games, near the top of the all time list in yardage. Yeah. He's in.

Matty Ice may have ha a solid career, but doesn't have a Super Bowl so the only mention of him in the HoF will be about the Falcons losing to New England after being up 28-3.

If there's a wing added to the HoF for ultra productive sperm and G-rated trash talk, Phil Rivers is a lock. If there's not, he won't be in either.

Ryan should get in if people actually understand the game of football.

I think the HoF will draw a Phillip Rivers/Matt Ryan line.

They could make a compelling argument that a QB to be even considered for the hall they have to make at least one Super Bowl as a starter and if they loose a SB they have to make it to more than one as a starter.

Ben’s almost certainly gonna make it in

Honestly if the QBs from right now don’t step it up it’ll be harder to argue Rivers and Ryan don’t deserve to be in. When the longest tenured QB in the league has only been with his teams for 8 years and the few older QBs that have stuck around are starting to break down in their mid-30s someone like Rivers being consistently very good or great until he was nearly 40 is going to look more impressive.

Like imagine if in 2033 Joe Burrow was still the Bengals QB and was still Pro Bowler.

It's amazing to me that in my prime football-watching youth, we had like 3-4 clear HoF QBs in the league: Peyton, Brees, Brady, and then Rodgers.

After that though? Lots of debate.

Even among the current crop, who looks to be on that tier besides Mahomes'?

I think you ultimately have to be judged against both HOF members and your peers. Ben, Matt Ryan and Rivers all played at a high level for a long time, and they're probably better than some of the players already in the hall, but when you're competing not only with four of the greatest QBs in league history (Brady, Peyton, Rodgers and Brees) but also Mahomes (who is basically a lock already), with guys like Lamar, Burrow and Allen also potentially in the discussion.

They're not the best of their generation and they're not better than the best of the next generation. In fact, it even being up for debate sort of tells me that they shouldn't be in. Maybe Ben, but only because of his two rings.

rivers has no all pros, no mvp and no super bowl appearances so he's not getting in and shouldn't get in. perfect example of a hall of very good qb

roethlisberger has the two championships so he'll get in

ryan has 1 mvp and 1 super bowl appearance so he's right on the line

I don’t know where the line is exactly but Troy Aikman is in and that gives a hell of a lot of leeway to borderline candidates

joe namath is in the hall so...

Saw the title and came in ready to defend Rivers with my life instantly

Ben is a raper and the other two are mid tier. id vote no to all 3

Kind of related, but I'm always surprised that analytics doesn't have a similar stat to WRC does in baseball. It gives good number about a player's production, but more importantly it helps outline how much better production is relative to other players. If average is 100, a WRC of 113 says they are 13% more productive. I feel like this would really help distinguish eras and the explosion of offense we see today. On the flipside, it would also highlight just how dominate a player like Jerry Rice was given the lower offense production from that era

Eli is a lock too. Shouldn’t be. But he is.

Yearly inductions to the hall of fame slowly degrades its value. Outside of parts of a single season there was no point in which Rivers, Roethlisberger, or Matt Ryan was even top 3 among his peers. Philip Rivers was never better/more deserving of HoF than Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees during his career.

If guys like that are getting in then you have to start making a case for guys who were the 5th or 6th best QB of their era - are we putting Ken Anderson and Rich Gannon in the hall of fame?

Ben is a lock

If Dan Fouts is in the hall, Ryan, Rivers, and Big Ben are all getting in

Right or wrong, HOF is swayed by Super Bowl appearances. That’s Ben R’s biggest plus, and a minus for Rivers & Ryan. On the other hand he had an early career “me too” problem. My gut feel is they ignore the problem, focus on the success, and me makes it in. But I don’t think it is a slam dunk.

As far as Rivers? I don’t know if it hurts that he played for 3 teams, but no Super Bowl appearances will hurt. 8 pro bowls and 1 comeback player are pluses. But I think he just misses.

Ben is the line, but will likely get in because of his rings. Without them he wouldn’t. Ryan and Rivers will not.

It usually comes down to rings. If they've got one, its the 3000 hit club for baseball level.

Lack of ring has kept Ken Anderson out and I absolutely think Rivers is HOF level but some are gonna hold that against him

Ben is a lock, Matt Ryan is borderline due to the MVP and Superbowl season, Rivers won't get in. Eli will get in for 2 rings even though Matt Ryan and Rivers were both better QBs, which is why the Hall of Fame is weird sometimes

Can anybody looking at this chart explain why Peyton Manning's score is 257 while Drew Brees is 140? I won't argue that Peyton may have been a slightly better QB, but the numbers don't bear out that big a gap and Brees bested Peyton both one-on-one and in most individual stat categories.

Eli beat the GOAT twice when it mattered the most. If that’s not HOF worthy I’m not sure what is

A lot of Giants fans think Eli should get in the HOF because of his 2 SB MVPs.

I am a Giants fan and I do not think Eli should be in the HOF. Aside from those 2 SB runs (which I’ll cherish forever) I think Eli was an average to good QB.

Big Ben and probably Eli. Rivers and Matt maybe but I’ll say no.

Ryan MIGHT get in, because of the MVP, Ben almost certainly will unless they hold the rape against him (they should), Rivers shouldn't because of lack of accolades or playoff success.

Ben definitely gets in, I don't think it's up for much debate.

Once Eli Manning gets inducted into the Hall of Fame that’s when it’ll become the Hall of Very Good

Ben and Eli are in. Ryan and Rivers are not.

they all have great counting stats. Ben and Eli have the rings which are really important. Ryan has the 1 MVP but thats really it.. he only has 4 pro bowls even and pro bowls are a low bar. Rivers has no mvp, all pros, or rings- no shot.

The five-year waiting period will come in handy. Guys like Rivers and Ryan might have the numbers now, but probably won’t by the time they’re eligible. Whichever ones we’re still talking about as HOFers will have much clearer cases.

They lowered the bar when they inducted Joe Namath, his career numbers are actually bad. 50-50 winning percentage, 50% completion, 173 tds, 220 int.

Ryan and Rivers will have to wait longer than they should because Eli is getting in ahead of both of them.

I don't think Ben gets in first ballot

Rivers and Ryan aren't in the convo.

Brees is on the bubble, but I think he'll get in.

Big Ben and Eli are locks, though Eli is only getting in on narrative.

If there’s a debate about a player then that’s a red flag for me. The HOF is getting watered down. I’m almost to the point where I feel like the first ballot guys are the worthy ones. Those dudes who were THE GUY at their position. Or at least one of two or three for the majority of their career, are the special ones.

Are they a first ballot HOFer? No? HOVG.

Eli Manning lol. It’s funny because Eli has TWO rings and TWO SB MVPs, while being top 10 in most counting stats of all time and is seen as only a borderline case for the HOF like Rivers and Ryan, while Big Ben has 2 SB rings with no SB MVPs and is seen as a lock for the HOF.