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Air Force Dumb

Qatar is gifting Trump a $400 million luxury 747 to serve as a temporary Air Force One, but experts warn that retrofitting it to meet presidential security standards could take years, cost hundreds of millions more, and risk national security due to potential embedded surveillance.

The current VC-25s aren't just repainted 747s. They're a pair of flying fortresses that must be capable of allowing the president to run the country, survive wartime conditions (even nuclear), and be totally secure from outside influence or intrusion. While the precise details of the current airframe are a tightly guarded secret, some details are included on government fact sheets or have been revealed in various media reports. For a start, it must have an in-flight refueling capability so the president can go anywhere in the world and stay up as long as needed. Retrofitting this to an existing 747 would be very expensive, as the feds would need to strengthen portions of the hull to handle the refueling system and reconfigure the fuel tanks to handle trim issues.

Then there's the hull, which is known to be armored, and the windows are also thicker than you'd find on a normal flight. The government would also need to build in weapons systems like the chaff rockets used against radar-guided missiles, flares against heat seekers, and AN/ALQ-204 Matador Infrared Countermeasure systems, or similar to try and confuse incoming missiles. Next up, the engines and electrical systems would have to be replaced. The electronics in the current VC-25s are hardened as much as possible against an electromagnetic pulse that would be generated by a nuclear detonation. There are also claims that the aircraft have extra shielding in the engines to help against missile fragments should a physical attack happen.

Next up are communications. Air Force One has air-to-ground, air-to-air, and satellite comms systems that are thought to be the equal of what's in the White House. There are at least two separate internal phone systems - one open and the other highly secure - that would need to be installed and checked as well. Then there are incidentals. Contrary to what films will tell you, there is no escape capsule on the current Air Force One, nor a rear parachute ramp, but there is a medical suite with emergency equipment and space for a physician which would already need to be installed, as well as a secured cargo area designed to prevent tampering or unauthorized access. As for the threat of embedded surveillance devices, Richard Aboulafia, managing director of aircraft consultancy AeroDynamic Advisory, said: "You'd have to take it apart piece by piece to stop a professional operator putting in lots of equipment to confuse things, like spare sensors and wiring."

"It wouldn't be in the air before 2030 at the earliest, long after he's left office and probably later than the existing planned replacements," said Aboulafia. "It makes no sense on any level, except that he wants a free 747 for himself. Nothing else makes any sense."

"What's sort of annoying about the whole thing is I'm not sure what's wrong with the current Air Force One," Aboulafia said. "Maybe if they gave it a gold makeover, he'd like it more."

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[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 24 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Cluster B personality disorder being played like a stringed puppet. There’s no way this plane isn’t rigged to surveillance and doesn’t have a kill switch.

Most people run away from Cluster B. 76 million ran to it to no vote for a democrat. And now here we are.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

Q: Which Cluster B personality disorder?

A: Yes

[–] mrbubblesort@lemmy.world 28 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

You know what? Fuck it, let him use it. Then we can all laugh when it quite literally blows up in his face.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 7 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

The real dick move would be to dismantle the current AF1 so the next President pretty much has no choice but to use this monstrosity.

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

He's taking it with him, the deal states it will go to his presidential library when he leaves office

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[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 40 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

This is exactly what I pointed out at first.

The existing presidential planes have pragmatic measures to deal with the less pleasant aspects and possibilities of presidential duties. This plane in contrast is nothing but absurd levels of luxury for rich dicks who want to show off their wealth and is unfit as a presidential plane.

The fact that Trump wants to use it as Air Force One for himself says a lot about how he views his duties as the president and how little personal sacrifice he is willing to do to serve his country.

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 8 points 22 hours ago

I mean the VC-25 is basically a different plane built into the design of the 747.

Like the presidential motorcade, it's basically reinforced to all hell so it can avoid attack. Even though it's escorted, it needs those countermeasures.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 0 points 12 hours ago

I mean air force one is any Air Force plane the president is in.

[–] tomatolung@sopuli.xyz 18 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Reminds me of the bugging of the new embassy in Moscow. It's a cautionary tail in and of itself which relates to this jet.

Air and Space Forces Magazine: Cleaning the Bug House.

...“Mr. Ambassador, these are the plans that disclose how the bugging of your embassy took place, and these are the instruments that were used,” said Bakatin. “I want them turned over to your government, no strings attached.” Strauss was dumbstruck, according to an account of the incident he gave later that year. After years of denial, the Soviet intelligence arm was admitting its role in one of the most notorious espionage incidents of the 1980s: It had packed the new US Embassy office building in Moscow with sophisticated listening devices. The edifice’s structure was so riddled with bugs that some US counterespionage experts described it as nothing but a giant microphone.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl -1 points 13 hours ago

tale*

Animals have tails

[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Let's hope it's booby trapped and he goes down with the ship.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 21 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Well, the current VC-25As are painted identically and fly together as a means of confusing an attacker on which plane the prez is on.

If Trump starts using his new plane, it won't have a twin and it will be clear which plane the prez is.

[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 4 points 23 hours ago

First thing we all thought of. Please make it exploded with donny and all his government on board. I swear I'll consider believing in God if this can happen.

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 12 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

"It wouldn't be in the air before 2030 at the earliest, long after he's left office"

He's not leaving office. He fought against stepping down last time and everyone has given him more power this time. He will never leave that office while he lives.

[–] carpelbridgesyndrome@sh.itjust.works 3 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

He's neither healthy nor young. I didn't know about his odds of leaving office, but I wouldn't be surprised if the plane isn't done until after he is.

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 2 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

Which is why we should let him use it exactly as it is. Just don't tell him anything while he's on it, in case of espionage. He won't notice because he doesn't listen anyway. And let nobody else on it except his most loyal supporters. And of course Ellen Musk. So if it goes down, no loss to the nation.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 2 points 12 hours ago

I mean he spews everything on truth social anyway what secrets could he have.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago

He can't be prosecuted while in office so yeah, he'll do anything he can to stay. If he somehow is removed from office he's immediately heading to Russia and never returning.

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[–] DrFistington@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My first thought was 'trojan horse'. Give a gift that you've laced with taps, traps, and software backdoors that you know your enemy won't be able to refuse.

Purely from a national security perspective, this is a horrible fucking idea. Also from a financial perspective, this is a horrible fucking idea. Right now you have at least two fully functional AF1s that are already equipped with the property gear and take the same parts. Now you want to completely retrofit a jet from a foreign adversary that will have separate parts and maintenance requirements from the other AF1s.

Talk about asking for a mistake to happen.

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You know what? Let’s apply some of that “government efficiency” idiocy that he claims to be driving. Sure. Just jump in it and start flying around. Nothing matters anymore. By all means, traipse around in an unsecured, relatively undefended beacon of American shittiness without any of the standard VIP transport countermeasures, let alone the countermeasures that exist on the current AF1. See what happens.

Children of Kali noises intensify

[–] tehn00bi@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago

I don’t care. If the plane falls out of the sky, will that really affect me?

It’s not like this administration cares about secret information anyway. Hegseth

[–] rekabis@lemmy.ca 8 points 22 hours ago

Will any patriot of democracy with a functional stinger rocket please pay attention?

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 6 points 22 hours ago

This is yet another reason why the president shouldn't be a king; he shouldn't be able to make decisions that influence his own security negatively.

The head of his security should simply say "oh fucking hell's no" and that'd be it. This plane could be sabotaged in a million damn near impossible to detect ways. It could be bugged in a million undetectable ways, it's a security nightmare.

If he'd still wanted a flying palace, it'd be way, way cheaper to build one from scratch and be safe and trustworthy than to test, check, and retrofit this one.

His head of secut should be able to override his decisions when it comes to his safety

Then again, this is Cheetos USA now, so I'd say please go for it. Let quatar spy and learn all the US's secrets and then when they're done with the useful idiot, let them execute him by crashing his plane remotely. The world, the US, it'll all be a better place without him and he'll be doing exactly what he wants, he's just too dumb to keep himself alive

This whole story is just more "flood the zone" bullshit. They know this is a bad idea and that it won't work or won't work in time; they just want to manufacture another distraction that the opposition will lose its shit over.

[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 5 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Trumps heard "free" and "jet" so he said yes. No complex thoughts will ever enter his mind about this transaction. He gets a jet and that is all that matters to him.

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[–] argh_another_username@lemmy.ca 5 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

My first thought was “either Hollywood lied to me (SHOCKING) or the current 747 has a series of defenses, flares, electronic countermeasures, and what not that this new plane doesn’t have”.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 3 points 23 hours ago

The only thing Hollywood and the video game industry seems to have lied to us about is the presence of an escape pod lol. Everything else is probably mostly correct or even understated.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 4 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Doesn't that make it a perfect fit for Trump?

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 4 points 22 hours ago

Exactly, he's already a walking security disaster.

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago

I know it's hopium, but if this ends with Trump in the middle of a smouldering crater, Qatar will give the world the best gift any of us could ask for.

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