It's more annoying that a couple of seasons ago, Martinelli had a goal ruled offside against Brighton because the officials weren't sure where to draw the line accurately. On-field decision was goal, but was chalked off after a review.
If they couldn't find conclusive evidence for the offside on this one, why give it?
You know, when 2/5 panel members don't believe an intentional forearm to the head away from the play is not worthy of a red, it kind of takes away their credibility.
"Gabriel had already made a movement to play the ball before any contact" what the fuck kind of reasoning is that? How does that make it not a foul?
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“Independent”
Let me get this straight, they were unanimous that Havertz was a red as it was "a very dangerous challenge and the type of tackle that needs to be eradicated".
They then say that all the decisions in the Spurs game were correct so they are happy with a two footed challenge and that it didn't fall into the above category?
I'm done listening to all the mental gymnastics needed to conclude that Joelinton didn't foul Gabriel
although Joelinton does have his hands on Gabriel, there isn't enough to award a foul as Gabriel had made an action to play the ball before any contact
The ball falls through the gap between Joelinton's arms and Gabriel's neck that's being forced down. The only reason that gap exists is because Joelinton is forcing Gabriel's head down, but that doesn't matter because an "action" by Gabriel already occurred? It's nonsense, they wanted to give the goal, it's that simple.
Bruno Guimarães' arm to the head of Arsenal's Jorginho in the 45th minute was also a missed red card, but on a split 3-2 decision.
This tells you everything you need to know about how brainless the panel is. Deliberately smashing your forearm into someone's head is not a red card according to 2 panel members.
Anyone else find it worrying that two of five people looked at the Bruno G incident and thought "Nah that's all fine"?
If the goal was disallowed because of the foul. This doesn’t get spoke about 30 seconds after the incident.
It’s far from controversial to say that that’s a foul… because it is one. Sometimes you have to look at how it may of been handled had it gone the other way. I don’t think Newcastle would of said a word had it been a foul.
Who actually is the independent key match incident panel? Are they a bunch of ex referees, players, fans, lawyers?
A player with two arms on the back of another player, pushing them downwards, not looking at the ball but looking at the player they are fouling.
Any other circumstances it would be a foul.
We’re not even mentioning that the first point of contact with the ball was that arm, clearly not in a natural position.
Somehow the Kai Havertz is a unanimous sending off by the panel, but the Bruno Guimares elbow/forearm to the back of the head is not deemed a red card by 2 people. Make it make sense
It's not meant to make sense, it's meant to distract from what was a very blatant case of match fixing.
Yeah if Kai should've been sent off but Bruno's is questionable, I'm very much questioning the "independence" of this panel.
completely undermines any credibility this "independent" panel might have had.
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I read it as they were split 3-2 on whether VAR should have intervened. It's not clear what the split was on the actual incident itself
Surely a vote for VAR not to intervene is the same as a vote saying it isn't a red card
I'm more shocked that many people like you that don't think it's an absolute red card tackle.
Just a few centimeters difference between a certain leg breaker.
Havertz is at least trying to block a clearance down the line, there is absolutely nothing about the Bruno incident that belongs in a football match
Judging by this thread I guess Arsenal fans are still not ready to admit their team played shit and Arteta got tactically outplayed...
Oh boy. Another Arsenal club statement incoming…
Fair enough, that's how it seemed.
Shame it took the best part of a week of hot air about it first.
This js what I don't get. It was a marginal call. It wasn't even the most controversial call of that game. It certainly wasn't the most controversial call directly leading to a goal in the orem this weekend either!
How the hell has it rumbled on this long. And the answer to that is obviously Artetas reaction and the club statement.
They release a report going over the previous matchweek's decisions every Thursday.
The refs have to be conspiring at this point to show that they make the decisions and not technology or fans.
Does anyone care what this panel says ever?
btw op Samurai Champloo is goated good on you
I've seen some quite terrible refereeing/VAR decisions lately and on the threads you inevitably get somebody arguing that "you think you know better than the referees, commentators and pundits who are ex professionals?!?!"
My answer isn't that I know better, it's that I know a fucking foul when I see one and I don't give a shit what Gary Neville says.
No reason to usually - but Arsenal are actually the only team ever to have a decision go against them. So that’s why this is such a big deal
So the panel judged the club that was screwed over by the refs at the weekend was Newcastle. The goal was correct and Bruno's red card was a split decision but Havertz's red card was unanimous that he should have been off. This is just too delicious. Got to wonder how much we paid the panel.
Anyone who doesn't have a bias against us thought exactly this.
Entitled Arsenal fans get back into your bin.
For context 2/5ths of this panel apparently think it’s not a red card to elbow players as retaliation so I’m gonna not take the rest of their takes seriously 👍
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Panel says Newcastle goal vs. Arsenal was correct decision
"The Premier League's Independent Key Match Incidents Panel has ruled the referee and the VAR were correct to award Newcastle United's winning goal against Arsenal on Saturday -- but the officials missed two red cards.
Arsenal boss Mikel Arteta was furious that Anthony Gordon's winning goal was allowed to stand by referee Stuart Attwell, with three separate VAR checks for the ball being out of play, a foul on Gabriel by Joelinton and offside against the goal scorer. On all three checks the VAR, Andy Madley, could not find conclusive evidence of an offence.
Arsenal as a club doubled down on their criticism of referee on Sunday, issuing a statement in support of Arteta.
The panel's findings, seen by ESPN, said on a 4-1 vote that "although Joelinton does have his hands on Gabriel, there isn't enough to award a foul as Gabriel had made an action to play the ball before any contact," while also upholding the view there wasn't enough proof to cancel the goal on the two factual offences.
However, the panel was unanimous that Kai Havertz should have been sent off for Arsenal in the 36th minute for his challenge on Sean Longstaff as it was "a very dangerous challenge and the type of tackle that needs to be eradicated" -- a decision which would have altered the direction of the game.
Bruno Guimarães' arm to the head of Arsenal's Jorginho in the 45th minute was also a missed red card, but on a split 3-2 decision.
The panel has five members, made up of three former players and/or coaches, plus one representative each from the Premier League and PGMOL. It was set up at the start of last season to give an independent assessment of decision-making rather than relying on the views of PGMOL or the clubs themselves. The judgement is intended to provide an arm's-length assessment of all major match incidents.
Elsewhere, the decision to award a mach-winning injury-time penalty to Sheffield United against Wolverhampton Wanderers was also unanimously viewed to be incorrect -- the second time the VAR has incorrectly failed to overturn a spot kick against Gary O'Neil's side in consecutive weeks.
All other refereeing decisions last weekend, including those in the Tottenham Hotspur vs. Chelsea game, were assessed as being correct."
I am so tired lmao
Just in case anybody was wondering, this is the current top r/soccer post when you sort by controversial
Karen FC will never let it go regardless
If Arsenal were the team that scored that goal at SJP, they would 100% disallow it
Fucking joke
I thought Arsenal were annoyed with the Bruno elbow.
I didn't think anyone had serious concerns about the goal.
You can't be serious. Arteta spoke at length about the goal calling it a disgrace and the club released a statement saying he was right.
I honestly thought that having two hands on a players back was a universally accepted sign of a foul akin to challenging a goalkeeper with two hands on the ball or making a two footed challenge.
Judging by this thread, Collina could come out in support of this, and Arsenal fans still wouldn't believe it.