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So I'm going to Paris in a few weeks, and I will be bringing my new 70-200mm f4 for the trip.

However, i have this thought in my head that I don't really know what to photograph. I usually take pictures of people and situations with people in them, as those are memories I want to hang on to.

When I see a lot of street photographers on YouTube etc, I feel like they take some well framed and pretty, but also irrelevant images. Would they ever go back to an image of a busdriver they snapped at an intersection?

I'm not putting those people down, but I personally have a hard time seeing the real value in that. I guess that simply making a nice shot is a great feeling. And a really nice shot might o ly happen once every 1000 images.

But what makes a nice image to you? Can the image stand alone? Or does it have to be part of a series with a certain theme to it?

I'm looking for some fresh perspectives on street photography that will get me excited for my trip :)

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[–] jackystack@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Can the image stand alone? Or does it have to be part of a series with a certain theme to it?

Yes! Either.

Some things I shoot knowing that it will be framed and hung as a centerpiece. Other images I simply find interesting and I print as 4x6 and hang on my fridge, which is usually what I do to proof digital images anyway.

Others, I send as postcards, present as collections, or share because it documents a time or place.

Do what suits you. There really isn't a right answer for this, but if I were you, I would simply capture photos that I enjoy, and maybe some framed art along the way.

[–] 50mm-f2@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

you can do a lot with a 70-200 on the street, esp in a big city. don’t overthink it. sometimes that one awesome shot finds you.

[–] reinfected@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

70mm is too narrow.

50mm is the longest I’d recommend for street, but the real sweet spot is either 27mm-35mm. This allows you to get immersed in the action, without feeling as disconnected as a long lens would.

[–] GSyncNew@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Noooo. I've gotten some of my best candid street shots at 200 mm. The subjects are more natural and you can take advantage of the compressed DOF to good effect.

[–] alohadave@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Sometimes the disconnection is what you are going for. Flattening the perspective is another reason for using a long lens.

[–] Theagriphotographer@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

To me, if I'm travelling, my photography is about capturing memories that I can look back on.

That being said I will always look for a unique angle or perspective. Take pictures at your favourite tourist destinations, but try to be creative with it.

For pictures of people on the street, I agree that it's a bit irrelevant to photograph something (e.g. a sidewalk with pedestrians) if that thing could just as eaily have been captured at home. If it does not convey a sense of the place you are in and have spent money to travel to and experience, why take it?

However, if in your example of a bus driver, if you could see that the writing is in French, and the next stop display is visible, that could provide context and place the image as part of your travel snaps.

So to me travel photography is about creating interesting photos that are contextualised within the image or series of images, and with that context they will add to your memories to look back on!

Have a great trip!

[–] createsean@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A 70-200 is not a typical street lens.

[–] OleBentsBallonCirkus@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not really limited by conventions like that.

[–] Leif1013@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

While I am not a guy that would say street photography can only be done with wide angle, it is true that 70-200 is an unpopular choice. At 100-200mm it compress the image a lot, and it’s hard to get any kind of juxtaposition with composition. A more typical choice is 28-50mm.

I am not saying you can’t take good street photo with it, it just harder. Most of the street photo with tele lenses are limited to close up shot, which is fine but it could easily gets boring very quickly.

And to respond to your questions, it is very normal to have 1 good shot in thousands of photos. Alex Webb, a legendary street photographer once said ‘99.9% of your photos will be failure’, it’s not a easy genre to master.

[–] incidencematrix@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

That could make it more interesting, by forcing them to work with different types of compositions than folks usually use...there can be virtue in mixing things up. But obviously some tradeoffs, as well.

[–] manjamanga@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I feel like they take some well framed and pretty, but also irrelevant images

They feel irrelevant to you. They may feel the same about some of your photos, while you may consider them to be your best work. What makes someone enjoy a photograph will vary wildly from person to person.

What makes a good photo indeed? I look at Henri Cartier-Bresson photos and some of them just don't do anything for me.
And sometimes, I see a shot with 10 likes from some anonymous guy on Flickr and consider it an absolute masterpiece.

And then there are photos that no one would look at twice, weren't it for the context they're inserted in. Some photos stand alone. Some photos owe their meaning and value to a bigger context.

There is no objective criteria to decide what a good photo is, especially from an artistic standpoint. I think this is a very important fact to internalize for any artist, photographer or otherwise.

[–] Far_Cherry304@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Those photos you consider irrelevant now will be historical in 20, 30, 40 etc years. They will be part of a story about those places and times.

[–] FreeKony2016@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A good photo is one that evokes an emotional response. That’s all it is. The difficult part is there are a billion ways a photo can do that and most of them are subjective and non-repeatable

[–] themanlnthesuit@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

This is the answer you’re looking for.

[–] elviajedelviento@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I guess I'm one of those street photographers who makes the sort of photos you see as irrelevant. So here's why I do it.

When I walk in the street, my eyes are constantly drawn to things. Usually colours, or how the light falls in a certain way. Colours, shapes, light, shadow... That's why I started photography. Because I wanted to capture the things I saw, and do it in an a visually interesting way. I would describe myself as a photographer with a painter's soul.

It's as much about act as the final image itself. When I walk around with my camera, I'm completely attuned to my surroundings, in the now, in a flow, whatever you want to call it. It's almost like meditation.

It's also about little coincidences. To me, there is nothing better than spotting an interesting view, having the exact right person walk by who perfectly completes the image and being able to capture that instance. These moments almost feel like little gifts from the universe. (To be clear, I don't really believe this, but it does féél like it.)

Would you say the photos of master (street) photographers like Martin Parr, Saul Leiter, Vivian Maier, Joel Meyerowitz, Harry Guyaert, Alex Webb... are irrelevant?

Nothing wrong with taking holiday pictures to remember a trip to Paris, but if you dó want to make good, "relevant" street photos, I suggest you look up their work.

[–] Anaaatomy@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Here's a unique idea lol: Currently visiting Rome and i have been taking pictures of horse butts and nothing else

[–] LongWindedInNJ@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

70-200 (and esp f4 version) will somewhat limit you to outdoors and relatively bright scenes. I’ve travelled a lot, both for work and for pleasure. In the beginning I would take a ton of lenses for “options”. If you want one lens for travel versatility: 24-70mm f/2.8.

But if and when you get into prime lenses: 35mm f/1.4 is my lens of choice for travel. Those are the shots that I consistently return to and truly love. For example: inside food stalls of Singapore, inside cafes in Italy, etc. these are all relatively low light as well …so the ability to opening up your aperture will give you nice creamy backgrounds but also the ability to use relatively normal ISOs.

[–] rgbkng@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

For me a good photo is the one that just speaks to me. It could be people doing what they do or a wall mural in a certain light and angle.

[–] Sagittarrius-A@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

In my perspective, I look at photography as a recipe.

[–] MattMakesPhotos@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

You don’t need to decide what to photograph before you get there. Let the world present itself to you and photograph what you respond to.

[–] tampawn@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I saw a compilation of Paris photographs showing the Eiffel Tower that weren't your usual run of the mill shots of the Eiffel Tower. Every one had some other element in it or a view between buildings or people. Just avoid taking shots everyone has taken for decades. Try to put a new spin on it. Try different perspectives and not just 'here's OP in front of the Louvre or the Tower or at a cafe'. Put the long end of your lens to use!

[–] Lensgoggler@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Watch some videos on composition perhaps? Good photos have an interesting subject and good composition, which can be achieved in various ways. If there’s time, practice! Try to squeeze good composition out from anything you see. Literally anything.

Depending on the camera, I’d bring a wide angle too, if at all possible. Or only take the 50mm (or 35 if cropped sensor), and pretend to come from a different era. :)

[–] ado-zii@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I suggest, you photograph what makes you feel good and will serve as a nice memory.

[–] fakeworldwonderland@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

It needs to have good composition, layers, context, and lighting.

[–] juangutip@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I've thought about this a thousand times as i sometimes feel insecure about my photos... once speaking with my dad about wines he told me that the best is not the most expensive nor the oldest but the one you like the most, even if it's a cheap one. So that made sense in photography to me.

After that though, I've found that the ones I like the most are often liked by other people so that's good enough for me!

[–] DeadBy2050@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I usually take pictures of people and situations with people in them, as those are memories I want to hang on to.

You are recording images that trigger your memories. We call these snapshots. They are great for YOU and the people who shared these memories.

But unless they are well composed and objectively tell an interesting story, they likely hold no interest for anyone else.

When I see a lot of street photographers on YouTube etc, I feel like they take some well framed and pretty...also irrelevant images. Would they ever go back to an image of a busdriver they snapped at an intersection?

If it's a good photograph, then it's a good photograph. I'd be intersted in viewing it, maybe multiple times. And it'd be of intereste to people other than the photographer. That's because the image stands alone and separate from the subjective experience of the person recording the image.

But if you don't see value in that, that's OK. Maybe you aren't a fan of street photography.

I can appreciate the artistry and skill it takes in all genres of music, but I only enjoy less than 1 percent of that.

You take pictures of people also irrelevant images. Would they ever go back to an image of a busdriver they snapped at an intersection?

[–] Dense_Surround3071@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

It's an art art AND a science. You gotta use the tools at your disposal to compose the shot you are imagining. A 70-200mm seems a little big for street photography, but your example of a bus driver at an intersection is intriguing, especially zoomed in from a distance with lots of heads in the immediate foreground.

Not the most inconspicuous lens to use on the street either. Keep that in mind.

[–] -eurostar-@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago
[–] KrustyKrabOfficial@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I wouldn't use that kind of focal length in Europe unless you're planning to do a headcount of all the visitors on the Eiffel Tower. There are a lot of tight streets and crowds. I used a 50mm prime for my trip and honestly I found myself wishing for something wider pretty often.

[–] stygyan@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I often come back to those pictures that seem inconsequential to other people, because THEY weren’t there.

I was, and that’s enough.

It’s easy to go on Google and find pictures of the Tour Eiffel in every angle, every season, every lighting.

To me, monuments are not a thing to photograph. This picture, though?

https://preview.redd.it/7u1r8b5vv20c1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a5743742dde44f4f2329bd20309f6bc7ce4b0f54

I remember it was a winter night. I remember the street, I remember the bar. I remember going in just because it was raining, I had my freshly done laundry with me and I seriously needed a coffee.

I remember going in, seeing this guy. I remember I had my Nikon d3400 on me, 35mm lens on. I remember thinking “holy fuck I need to take this”, dropping the laundry bag, pointing, framing and shooting. I remember I had it in manual, set up for dark scenes.

I also remember some guy telling me on social media that he recognized the bar and his grandfather, that he wanted to buy a big ass print.

I also remember that some other guy hired me to take a picture in this precise same bar for the cover of his book, after seeing it.

Memories are like that. Pictures taken in random moments will bring you so much more, precisely because they’re random. “I took this pic of X because i was in Paris” doesn’t hold the same power that “I was walking down this alley and this grabbed my attention”.

[–] Bramble1847@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Sony fe24-105mm f4 is a bit more versatile.