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I'm sorry but it doesn't make sense TO ME. Based on what I was taught, regardless of the month, I think what matters first is to know what day of the month you are in, if at the beginning, in the middle or at the end of said month. After you know that, you can find out the month to know where you are in the year.

What is the benefit of doing it the other way around?

EDIT: To avoid misunderstandings:

  • I am NOT making fun OF ANYONE.
  • I am NOT negatively judging ANYTHING.
  • I am totally open to being corrected and LEARN.
  • This post is out of pure and honest CURIOSITY.

So PLEASE, don't take it the wrong way.

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[–] JargonWagon@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

American here. No idea. Either DD/MM/YYYY or YYYY/MM/DD are more logical, but here we are. When naming/renaming files and including a date in the name, I'll usually do YYYYMMDD format somewhere. If I'm emailing/texting others, I use MM/DD/YYYY.

Fun little story, the department I work in recently began to work with some people over in the UK, and even though I brought up the date format differences, we've already had someone of gett the month and day flipped and it caused some confusion on our end.

[–] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

Ignoring the coding side of things...

It's relative. And also works easier to navigate the calendar. If we're planning something for next year I pull up next year's calendar. If it's this years and we're planning something for later this year, when I hear you say August, that's the month I go to. But if you say the 27th of August, The first thing I heard was the 27th which could possibly be this month or next month if it's say the 28th today.

[–] Jentu@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Year is the most significant (read: big) unit in the list, but it is the least significant (pertinent to daily life) unless you're a time traveler. Of month and day, month is more significant than day in both size and pertinence, so it gets ordered first. But when sorting things into folders or file naming conventions, biggest category descending down to smaller categories is always the best.

[–] beastlykings@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago

You articulated what I was thinking, better than I could have. This is it for me.

I'd add that there's probably a lot of habit involved, plus the fact that everyone else does it.

So not only am I not used to saying "today is the 4th of May", everyone around me isn't used to hearing it either and might think I'm being weird.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

To make sure its not December right away. Fuck that entire month. Everyone hates December so much they throw the years biggest party at the end of it.

[–] mercano@lemmy.world 10 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Most significant digits first. You write the thousands place before the hundreds, you write the month before the day. Of course, the whole argument is blow away when you write the year at the end instead of the beginning. (ISO YYYY-MM-DD dates for the win.)

[–] AnnaFrankfurter@lemmy.ml 2 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

little Endian entered the chat.

[–] communism@lemmy.ml 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Most significant digits first.

That would only make sense if the US wrote the year first, but they don't. They just seem to slap the date together in a random order

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago

I think that's context relevant though. If we think about when dates are most frequently used (news, business, planning) it's typically within the year (or month will give context).

That added with the fact it's not uncommon in some situations to just provide month/day.

That being said, I don't think either is better or worse. Just a preference kinda thing, unlike the issue between metric and imperial units.

[–] That_Devil_Girl@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

I write the date a bit different depending on which format its going on.

For example, computers like to sort things alphabetically. If I'm writing electronic diary entries, I'll name the document as "2025-06-01."

If I'm hand signing a legal document, I prefer to sign it as "01JUN2025" or "01JUN25" if space is an issue.

If the format is preselected and deviation isn't allowed, I'll just write it like everyone else does.

Personally, I like dating things in ascending or descending order. Day month year, or year month day.

[–] GooseFinger@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 hours ago

I'm a fan of the 01JUN2025 format. It's unambiguous and uses about the same space as other traditional formats.

[–] NONE_dc@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

Personally, I like dating things in ascending or descending order

Hey! Me too! 🀝

[–] kmartburrito@lemmy.world 89 points 1 day ago (4 children)

As an American it was just what we were taught. However, when I started creating code and being pedantic about organizing files by date, I now prefer YYYYMMDD format as it is, chronologically speaking, superior when prefacing files with it. In this case, in my opinion, it's better to have the year and then month first prior to day.

To each their own, variety is the spice of life.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 28 points 1 day ago

This is the only format that truly makes sense, as it is both unambiguous and, as you noted, sortable.

[–] minibyte@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 day ago

ISO is my true north.

[–] NONE_dc@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (4 children)

What you say is interesting. Having a way of organizing time that suits your needs. That's why I asked if there was any benefit in the way Americans (and apparently also Chinese) represent time.

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[–] IttihadChe@lemmy.ml 42 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Because the month is bigger and provides more context on it's own. You figure out the month first then place yourself within that scale.

Example:

"It's May (immediately tells us the context of 31days, spring, etc.) It is the 30th, so there's one day left in May"

Vs

"It's the 30th (provides no context except that it's not February). it's may, so there's one day left in May"

So both lead to the same conclusion, the first way just gives the limiting parameter/most context first.

Similar reasoning why the month is the primary separation on calendars.

Another example that follow this same principle, you tell time HH/mm to provide the larger context first, not mm/HH.

[–] red_concrete@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 hours ago

you tell time HH/mm to provide the larger context first, not mm/HH.

Except not everywhere does, at least in speech. Half past ten. Quarter to eight. Five past three.

Although in the US I suppose you do say ten thirty, and seven forty-five? So at least you are consistent!

[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 1 points 16 hours ago

This pretty much sums it up for me, knowing the month first conveys a lot of information. Then the specific day gives more precision, year you can often assume but it's there in case it's not what you expected.

Surprised I had to scroll all the way to the bottom of the comments to find this answer

[–] sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The short answer is, it's what we were taught in school. Like many preferences, it's shaped by the culture we grow up and live in.

I’m sorry but it doesn’t make sense to me.

Of course not, you were raised and live in a different culture; so, your preferences are different.

Ultimately, the right answer is ISO8601. It's unambiguous and sorts well on computers. But, I don't think any culture is teaching that as the primary way to write dates, so we're stuck with the crappy ways.

There is an American subculture teaching and using ISO 8601; the US military. They don’t call it that, but I learned later that’s what it is. They enforce YYYY-MM-DD on all documents.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

YYYYMMDD is commonly used throughout East Asia.

[–] Civil_Liberty@lemm.ee 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If you name your files YEAR-MONTH-DAY_Filename they be in chronological order when sorted by the name field.

[–] krelvar@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

YYYYMMDD is the only correct answer.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago (6 children)

That's not a good explanation for the question, because the convention was established before computers.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

The month tells you more about conditions like weather but that's kinda it.

[–] Paradachshund@lemmy.today 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I can't say it matters to me that much what order it's in, but that's just the same order we say it in when fully written out. March 23, 2025. 03/23/2025.

[–] arbitrary_sarcasm@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Not an American. But I've heard the same explanation. And it does make sense to me.

However, why do Americans say "Fourth of July" then?

[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

Because its a holiday

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[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Because the day doesn't matter when you work every day between your three jobs that won't give you 40 hours in order to not give you health insurance.

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[–] harsh3466@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Am American and I hate the MM/DD/YY(YY) format. Unfortunately its what's been taught and used as the standard date format for a long time.

I much prefer the ISO standard of YYYY-MM-DD. It's the superior format logically moving from the largest calendar unit to the smallest. Also superior for date ordering files.

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[–] Hawke@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (3 children)

ITT: defensive answers and ISO-8601 supporters.

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[–] milkisklim@lemm.ee 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

It's two less syllables to say "April Fourth" than "The Fourth of April".

That's about the only advantage it has.

Edit:

I was thinking about this grammatically. English is an Adjective first language where the modifying adjective goes before the base noun.

In my example, April is the adjective. It tells the reader what kind of Fourth it is.

It's at least a kind of logic.

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[–] DirigibleProtein@aussie.zone 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Why do Americans use MM/DD/YY for date, but not mm:ss:hh for time? Doesn’t that make the same amount of sense?

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[–] silentjohn@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Generally we say June 1, not 1 June or 1st of June... So 6/1 makes complete sense.

For anything "official", like a work spreadsheet, I'll use ISO format YYYY-MM-DD for clarity and ease of filtering/sorting.

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[–] arthur@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Probably because in english it's the way they speak about dates (and the fact US kinda isolated themselves before WWII).

They started to write dates as they speak dates.

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[–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago

I don't have a clue why we do MM-DD-YYYY and personally I hate how dates are done in the west, to a degree.

For a maths course I've been taking at college, I never use MM-DD in my notebook because that and DD-MM are stupid in my opinion. I always spell out the month first to ensure I don't get mixed up. I honestly envy that some languages like Chinese and Japanese have an individual character to help distinguish between month and day.

Also, I would love if every country using the MM-DD or vice versa format could all agree on which format to use for everyday things.

[–] FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's not just Americans. There are many countries in Asia where the default is year month day. If you ever had to organize files by name and date this is the supreme sorting order. Both Europe and North America are getting it wrong.

If this gets you mad don't ever look into how the French count from 80 to 99. Or how languages disagree on what's blue or green. These things happen.

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[–] kaitco@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It comes down to the variable weather in the US versus the UK.

The UK has maybe handful of weeks of actual hot weather, months and months of rain, and then some weeks of bitter cold. The day is more important than the month who cares if it’s March or September? It’s another day of rain and grey.

The US has extreme weather changes across the year, especially in the northeast where differences in US and UK English first began to diverge, intentionally and unintentionally. In a state like Massachusetts, knowing the month is important for things like setting the scene in letters β€œhome” and so forth. The summer months and grossly hot. The fall/autumn is full of brilliant colors and mild weather followed by months of bitter, unrelenting cold winter. The spring months yield to green and mild weather again. Knowing that the month is April is very important because the 4th of April is going to be incredibly different from the 4th of September.

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Hello, have you heard the good word of our lord, ISO-8601?

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[–] chillBurner@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago

Idk, maybe like all U.Sians traditions, this was an Old-World British thing Americans preserved, since it's a more direct term of the English language, more direct than Day then Month

so unless it's a special day, if not holiday, for U.Sians like 4th of July, by default, Month then Day

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