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[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 83 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Marvel fatigue, superhero saturation and the death of cinema.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 92 points 1 year ago (4 children)

No, no, and maybe yes.

There is no Marvel fatigue. There is no superhero saturation. What there is, is simply trash. Make a shit superhero movie and the movie will just be shit. It has nothing to do with there being superheroes.

Hollywood doesn't get it. People don't seem to get it either. But these phases are just repeating itself. It used to be cowboys. It used to be cops. Then pirates. It used to be sword and sandals.

Cowboy movies are fun. So are pirate movies and superhero movies. If they're made well!

The moment some execs look at a bunch of numbers and think "Oh, people will pay money to see X", THAT is when things go wrong. No, people pay to see good movies. And Marvel used to be hype when they made good movies.

[–] CybranM@kbin.social 46 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Youre mostly right but personally there is definitely superhero fatigue. I used to watch most marvel movies but nowadays the formula is sort of played out.

[–] koolkiwi@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)

For me it isn't superhero fatigue as much as "oh, I've seen the same story a dozen times now" and "I don't even know this superhero, why does he need a Netflix show?" fatigue. The writers seem to run out of ideas and just milk the same formula again and again.

And at the same time you get something like the new animated Spiderman movies which are a dope, super fresh new take that is oozing creativity out of every frame.

[–] HubertManne@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

they also do some of the shenanigans that made people annoyed back in my comic book days. My brother saw the iron man movies but not the avengers. So he was lost at what was going on with stark in the movie after the avengers. So because he had not seen another movie it made that one bad for him.

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[–] spacecadet@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago

That’s what I’ve been telling people. My friends and I would religiously go the theatre nearly every Friday as adults. Pandemic hit and we obviously stopped, but once stuff started opening again, we went to see a couple movies but the quality has drastically dropped. We assumed it’s because we were coming out of the pandemic and stuff had been put on hold. In 2023, that excuse shouldn’t still hold up. Good writing didn’t stop during the pandemic, just production.

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[–] frickineh@lemmy.world 78 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm guessing the fact that no one could even talk about the movie until like 5 minutes ago didn't help. I had no idea it was even coming out until a couple of days ago because the SAG strike kept everyone from doing press.

[–] Endorkend@kbin.social 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The marketing for this movie has been weird.

There was an absolute fuckton of marketing for it at the start of the year, like every other Twitch and YouTube ad I got was about that movie.

Then, nothing, so I thought it had been released and people weren't talking about it because it's just a massive snooze (Like with the Eternals movie).
I had little affinity for the movie to begin with, so seeing there was little public response after all the marketing just had me go "seems this is one to skip"

And now it suddenly comes out with barely any marketing going on in the past few weeks?

Which still makes me feel it must be a snooze, both because it wasn't marketed for release and because of the residual feeling the initial marketing caused.

Besides that, even before the pandemic neither me or my wife were big fans of going to the cinema, the noise, the seating and the gauging with drinks and food is just meh.

During the pandemic, we invested in an 75" TV, 200" projector screen and 8K projector and setup 7.1 audio in the living room.

We got as much popcorn as we want, can drink whatever we want, including alcohol and the only person that can annoy us is us.

And with most movies being available from a streaming service within a few months of cinema release, there's not much of any FOMO either.

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[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's almost like people are getting sick of the constant Marvel drip feed of content that's been going on for years now.

[–] dhtseany@lemmy.ml 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I remember when they had a big long-arc that was spread intelligently across all of the movies that built up to Endgame. I think they've forgotten this.

[–] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Jonathan Majors has really screwed up any plans they had for the current arc.

[–] zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

True, but that doesn't fix their quality problem. Loki wasn't bad but everything else since endgame has been unwatchable to boring and forgettable at best.

[–] BigilusDickilus@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Guardians 3 was really good, but they just let Gunn do his thing and it wasn't just trying to move the general plot along. I wish they had more stuff that was just doing it's own thing.

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[–] ours@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It didn't help you need to watch hours of TV shows and X previous movies to have a superhero movie make sense.

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[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Who is actually going to all of these Marvel movies? I thought everyone came to the same conclusion that Marvel started sucking noticeably immediately after Endgame.

[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I'm a comic fan and I've watched all of them, and will continue. The problem people are having is they're expecting these movies to be like movies instead of comics, but the MCU has been thinking like comics for a long time now. Just like in comics, not every issue is going to be some enormous crossover event with huge stakes and universe-shifting impact. Most comics are character series issues, where the A plot is just some fun excuse for the hero to do cool shit and have a little bit of character growth. Comics are literally soap operas for boys and nerds, and that's what makes them great. The same applies here. Ya'll are attempting to compare X-Factor issue #97 to The Death of Captain Marvel, but those were never comparable things and they were never meant to be. If you go in to these films expecting X-Factor issue #97 instead, you might be able to enjoy these films for the non-serious popcorn media they're meant to be.

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[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah even the filler shit up to endgame was questionable, I just assumed they'd stop making them after that. Now you have a TV show to watch as homework so you can understand the movies.

Do people seriously have the time to waste to just watch superhero shit endlessly? There's only so many ways you can write the same premise.

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[–] Norodix@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

I think the first captain marvel was horrible. I think that plays a huge part.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I struggle to think of a less likeable main character that wasn't some sort of anti-hero. It takes talent to be that smug and condescending for an entire movie.

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[–] bluestribute@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

After seeing Dr. Strange and not understanding the entire movie engine because I don't have Disney+ I stopped watching MCU movies. I'd love to go see this movie now that I know it's out but why spend time and money watching actors in front of a green screen doing things I don't understand because I didn't watch multiple TV shows?

[–] Savaran@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

I want to see it, been looking forward to it, and will when it comes out for home viewing. But if already basically stopped going to theaters before the pandemic except for the biggest films, and the pandemic killed off the last interest I had in any of the disgusting expensive theaters near my home.

And now they’re raising prices for all the services… so we’ll see if when it gets to home viewing it it’s affordable enough to watch or not.

[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

There was a new Marvel movie?

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[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just let it die. Start making original scripts.

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[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Good. Maybe this will mean less Disney/Marvel vomit.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have a rule. You get 3 movies of a thing and then I stop paying attention. Marvel, star wars, fast and furious, I don't care, 3 of the "same" story and I'm out.

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[–] Perrin42@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago

I mean, it also opened during an ongoing SAG-AFTRA strike that severely hampered promotion of the movie. So there is that.

I took the family to see it and we all loved it. I thought it was great personally.

[–] Spacebar@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Genre fatigue. Too formulaic now as well.

[–] modifier@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago

Throw it on the pile with the others. I'll get to it, probably never.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Interesting to see the general negative impressions contrasted with the other column here saying how great it is.

I’m still deciding whether to see it in theaters - I’m a huge fan of the Marvel universe and still want more superhero movies. Iman Vellani does a great job with an excellent character, and I loved how the story connected with her culture. Fantastic. However Captain Marvel was pretty much a non-entity and we had no idea who Monica Rambeau will be yet - I hope the movie gave some much needed character development

[–] SeabassDan@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (4 children)

What I don't really like is people telling me I shouldn't let myself be swayed by critics and should watch it and make up my own mind.

That's stupid. I'm reading the reviews to decide if I wanna watch it or not. I don't wanna spend my money and a couple hours of my life to decide if it was worth it if some people whose judgement I've trusted in the past tell me it's gonna be trash.

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[–] Chetzemoka@startrek.website 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I am also a huge Marvel fan and I saw it Thursday night in a packed theater. My opinion is that all the pieces of one of the best Marvel movies are there, and just weren't put together properly. The leads have great chemistry, Iman Vellani is brilliant as always, the main plot point makes for unique and interesting fight scenes, and they let it get goofy in just the right ways (princesses and kittens, that's all I'm saying.)

But the overall pacing of the entire movie is SO bad. It feels so rushed. None of the fun or poignant things that are legitimately good are allowed to hang around on screen long enough to sink in. There are important plot points that move so fast they leave you wondering what just happened. Which is so disappointing. I was really excited that this might be the one that finally got Marvel out of their pandemic-induced production problems. Instead it's just another Marvel movie that I'll only see once.

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[–] 5in1k@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My best friend is a total mark for Marvel and didn’t even know that a new one was out.

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[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

This is literally the first I'd heard of the movie. If it's anything like the other marvel movies, it'll be overwhelmingly OK (not terrible, not great).

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