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Context was the idea of a government banning certain popular foods

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[–] DrivebyHaiku@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

Statement wise "I don't want the government to tell me what to eat" or variations could mean basically anything. Most of the time it's posturing on behalf of the idea that a lack of government regulation is a good thing which ignores a rather bloody history of food suppliers adulterating food with harmful substances in the name of preservation / cheapening production cost or using production practices that cause the likelihood of contamination of food.

Once you scratch the surface of the argument you can usually figure out more exactly what they mean and it often isn't things like government subsidy programs publishing food pyramids based on shady science and economics rather than in the interest of health.

Often it's based out of perceived personal inconvenience or the appearance of moral judgement such as when there's some sort of health labelling initiative.

In Canada there are a lot of things that are not considered legal additives for food that are used in the US and the difference in strictness is in part because the Health care system in Canada is funded publicly. Producers of foodstuffs cost the government money directly if whatever they put in it has no nutritional value and causes known health problems. Rather than let companies create messes and tragedies which the government is on the hook to clean up when people's health fails they remove the issue at it's source. In the US there's less incentive as these costs become scattered in the form of individual medical bills and oftentimes the savings are from food being shelf stable for longer. Shrugging one's shoulders at the fallout or claiming its an exercise of "freedom" is in service to those who make money hand over fist.

[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

I think it's more like government can ban what can be sold as food and make advice. They can't really stop you from drinking bleach or eating the grass in your yard or whatever. They can only prevent you from feeding it to someone else or selling it as food.

Meat isn't a food that could be banned in the same way as, say, Red Dye #4 or force-hydrogenated fats or high fructose corn syrup. They could make farmers cull whole herds of cows if mad cow broke out i guess, but there are wild hogs, backyard chickens and goats, it's just not a controllable food.

[–] Pnut@lemm.ee 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I come from a dynasty of educators. I cannot emphasize that enough. At Christmas I had to explain what a molecule was. Amongst them were several teachers and administrative individuals.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

At some point, you need to revisit and refresh your understanding of the world. People can and do forget information they learned 30 or 40 years ago if they're not making use of it on at least a semi-regular basis.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 6 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Bro, a molecule! I do Uber so I'm definitely not using chemistry on a day to day basis. But a fucking molecule‽ Come on man...

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[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 96 points 2 days ago (14 children)

Unregulated anarchy vs nanny state. There's a wide spectrum in between we can argue about, but let's not get too far toward either extreme.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

As a (social) anarchist, yeah there's a wide range. The government shouldn't tell people what they're allowed to eat, in my opinion, but they should protect them from dangers and exploitation. We don't usually have the tools, or the time, to test all our food to ensure safety. We need government oversight for that. However, they shouldn't go too far beyond that and force us to eat particular things.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Kinder eggs should NOT be banned, and Americans have an inferior product because of it.

........but also I agree with the banning of Red dye #3.

[–] OceanSoap@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's banned in the US because we're sue-crazy. Companies can't rely on the common sense of their customers here. Even if the egg comes with a blinking neon sign that says there's a non edible toy inside, someone would sue (and win!) claiming that it's not enough and the toy shouldn't be there in the first place.

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Even if they don't win the case, court cases in general can be extremely costly. So companies will try to avoid getting sued as much as they try to avoid doing things that would actually lose them a lawsuit.

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[–] remon@ani.social 31 points 2 days ago (12 children)

This would mean they'd be against food safety regulations, would it not?

It would not.

Having traffic laws isn't the same as banning cars, either.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Banning foods is the same regulation as banning golf carts from being licensed.

Nobody's gonna stop you from buying a golf cart and driving one (growing your own meat and eating it) but it's deemed unsafe for you and society to drive one on the highway so you legally cant. (No right to food that's bad for society)

You can't access golf carts on the highway (can't access bad food in the grocery store)

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[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 45 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

Dictating what you eat and banning things you shouldn't eat are very different things.

[–] credo@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Moreover, most governments (unless it’s a religious thing) don’t ban what you can eat.. they only regulate items sold and marketed to you as food. E.g. I don’t think we have any laws that ban you from guzzling bleach, but I’m pretty sure you can’t legally pick up a cuppa hot bleach at your local beverage shop. INAL.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

Banning the ability to legally make a choice is effectively the same thing as banning the choice itself. It doesn't matter if you're legally allowed to consume something if it's illegal to obtain it.

For example, I'm in VA. When Democrats last had power they legalized possession of Marijuana, and created a path towards establishing legal vendors. When Republicans took over, despite saying they wouldn't do this, they removed the path to create vendors, so it's illegal to purchase. It is technically still legal to grow it, but that's the only legal option, and it isn't an option for most people. In effect, it's almost as illegal as it was before.

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[–] gerryflap@feddit.nl 25 points 2 days ago (6 children)

There's a big difference between food safety and not eating meat. One is about companies putting dangerous stuff in food that can potentially harm people, the other is about something which humans have been eating ever since they existed. I understand that there are some arguments to be given about why we shouldn't eat meat, but those are definitely not as widely supported as disallowing the companies to inject "poison" into our food. In my opinion banning meat definitely would go way too far, the cost of banning meat far exceeds the benefits for public wellbeing.

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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yes. People who oppose science-backed food regulations are dumb or selfish or both

[–] WatDabney@sopuli.xyz 35 points 2 days ago (16 children)

You're talking about two different things.

Context was the idea of a government banning certain popular foods

This would mean they'd be against food safety regulations, would it not?

It's entirely possible to be in favor of food safety regulations and opposed to the government banning foods outright. In fact, I think one could safely presume that those are the positions most commonly held by most people.

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[–] Montreal_Metro@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Hyperbole-loving drama queens.

[–] ccunning@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago

It means that they’re not a nuanced thinker.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 2 days ago (8 children)

i feel like there's a lot of astroturfing in the comments here, how depressing

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