It’s the simplest conflict on the face of the planet. There is nothing complicated about it, just like the Holocaust was not a complicated thing to grasp. The problem is that no one is immune to propaganda. It’s why even mentioning China in the US makes people uneasy and abruptly stupid. Someone that might otherwise be one of the most articulate people you know, will suddenly become a 2-dimensional dipshit if you mention China, Israel, or Palestine. Undoing that indoctrination takes work—the kind of work a lot of folks are too lazy or busy to care about.

[–] Partisan@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago

That is so true.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

What is a "left lib"?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Progressive liberalism, as opposed to conservativism. DNC/SocDem/etc and not GOP. They aren't "left," but they do have differences from other forms of liberalism.

[–] Rodneyck@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago

A confusing term. All the left leaning terms have been corrupted by the MSM and the uni-party system. I like to say neo-con/neo-liberal, pretty much both the same, to identify the left and right. There aren't any real far left/old school liberalism/pro-worker in the democratic party, as much as the uni-party and MSM will tell you there is. They are now mostly independents. The neo-liberals would like you to believe AOC, Bernie and hand full of others are their progressive "left libs" but they are not. They are neo-liberals. Anyone telling you to vote for the neo-liberal candidate....is a straight up neo-liberal despite whatever game face they are pretending to play.

[–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago

Palestine is too complicated but Ukraine is a clear definition of the good guys vs the bad guys, you're just too tankie to see how clear it is!

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

"palastine"?

[–] Partisan@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

my bad. Thank's for letting me know. In Germany the county is called Palästina, that's why I messed up. EDIT: Fixed now.

[–] echo@lemmings.world 3 points 2 months ago

Derp

[–] DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

Ask yourself: Who was on that territory longer? And you get the answer.

[–] Rumo161@feddit.org -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But thats not even the choice. And you can easely be against the violence from the Israeli goverment without reproducing antisemite Propaganda from Hamas. Who where dominating the palestin people bevore it was cool by the way.

[–] Partisan@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

either you want a free palestine or you support its occupation

[–] Rumo161@feddit.org 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But you dont have to use a call for eradication of Israel. You can be for a free Palestine and a free Israel.

[–] Partisan@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

No. Israel is occupying Palestinian territories. Thus a free Palestine entailes an end of the settler colony Israel and a democratic state for all believes.

[–] Rumo161@feddit.org 0 points 1 month ago

The Text below your meme is a call for eradication of Israel used by Hamas.