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[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 26 points 2 hours ago

Whether or not you should consume HP Lovecraft media despite the fact he was a racist is entirely up to you because he is long dead. He doesn't make any money. He isn't even racist any more. Because he's dead.

I always say "If you're going to be a shitshow of a human being but a talented artist, the least you can do is also be dead."

See also: Phil Spector, Pablo Picasso.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 4 hours ago

The online portion of the community that is complaining about all this may be valid, but it's still a small portion of the actual public. Regardless of all the negative press, if this show is good, it's going to be a commercial hit.

[–] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 7 points 4 hours ago

What? You mean a celebrity doesn't really give a fuck about people and just wants to make money? But they were so silly and sweet in their interviews!

Unless this hurts their bottom line, I doubt they'll move. Her behavior is not new and they auditioned and signed the contract anyway, the same way people still buy their house themed merch and take trips to Potter land or whatever the fuck it's called. That woman's growing wealth is a sign of just how little people are willing to give up.

[–] svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 83 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (7 children)

Reminder: "separating the art from the artist" is an approach to engaging with an artwork, and is a separate question from whether or not you should engage with an artwork when doing so has real life consequences.

Whether or not you should consume HP Lovecraft media despite the fact he was a racist is entirely up to you because he is long dead. He doesn't make any money. He isn't even racist any more. Because he's dead.

When you consider whether or not you consume Harry Potter media, you must consider that JK Rowling will make money and will donate that money to anti-trans groups. If you still go on to buy licensed merch, or pay a streaming service to watch it, you will literally be helping to propogate transphobia. Continue to enjoy anything you currently own if you want. That is where separating the art from the artist comes into it. But if you still actively promote the material online and thereby increase the demand for it; again, transphobia, arguably.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 2 points 42 minutes ago

JK Rowling is rich enough to fund anti trans groups for decades without any input from us. Boycotting HP has no effect on trans rights.

It’s up to society if we should separate a work from its artist. We’ve collectively agreed that this work shouldn’t survive the century. Not only that, you can’t separate an artist from their work when they’re literally tangled in it and controlling it

[–] Angular2575@lemmy.ml 11 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (3 children)

Can we pirate it. Or will that just make it more popular

Edit: or should we just boycott

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I think its best to move on

[–] Angular2575@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 hours ago

Anyway, will most probably be shit. 99% of series these days are bad and just money grabs.

[–] svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Pirating it wouldn't make it more popular if you kept it to yourself, but talking about it after you watched it probably would.

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[–] Hozerkiller@lemmy.ca 8 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

Don't deprive yourself of happiness to spite her. That being said the books have several reasons to not read them on their own merits. Don't forget "dobby is weird for not wanting to be a slave" is an actual plot point in the books. Not to mention the goblins. If you want to revisit a beloved fantasy series, give LOTR another read/watch.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 hours ago

Count the number of times female characters are described as "shrill" or "screeching" etc. There's a weird misogyny and dedication to patriarchy that just oozes out of the books.

[–] xorollo@leminal.space 5 points 5 hours ago

Wheel of Time!

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[–] rabber@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (3 children)

If we didn't read books when we didn't personally agree with the artist's views then we wouldn't be reading many books at all

HP is a glorious series and no matter how evil this woman is this is going to remain true

[–] mercano@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago

The problem is the money JK Rowling is making on book sales and licensing fees is being sent anti-LGBTQ organizations. There’s little issue with the material itself, the controversy is where the revenues from it are going. It’s her money, she can spend it how she wants, but some people would rather not that she get any more of it.

[–] nahostdeutschland@feddit.org 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Be sure to pirate everything so that JK doesn't get more money to fuel her hate-filled foundation

[–] rabber@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 hours ago

I pirate anything that isn't Canadian lol

[–] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

It's different when it's fascist talking points or lies advocating intolerance or hate speech. That's not an acceptable "personal opinion" in a tolerant society. Especially if it's an active and current threat to democracy and financed by vast profits.

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

It’s different when it’s fascist talking points or lies advocating intolerance or hate speech.

You're describing Harry Potter.

[–] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 1 points 46 minutes ago

Harry should have cast the spell "Antifascio furiosa!"

[–] rabber@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Eh I'm pretty well versed in this as a metalhead haha. So many of my musical inspirations turned out to be horrible people. I learned guitar partially thanks to Dagon from Inquisition and I can't just unlearn that because he's a piece of shit for one of many examples

[–] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 3 points 51 minutes ago

Yeah some artist are horrible or broken or sick in the head and did horrible things.

But that's completely different to someone who gained a huge checkbook to sponsor lawsuits, lobbyists and social media campaigns to sponsor the socio-economic conditions to proliferate issues like that and agitate not just for violence but against fundamental values like equality, freedom, justice.

Rowlings is an enemy to all people who want to live in a peaceful and tolerant society. They might just be stupid or ignorant but their immense economic power makes them dangerous and they need to be put down - ideally with laws against hate speech or at the very least in polite society. It's not a tolerable "difference in personal opinion".

[–] kayky@thelemmy.club 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Never give these people an inch, or they'll take a mile.

When you say "these people", who exactly are you referring to?

[–] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Starting a covert, underground marketing campaign on Lemmy this early is pretty extreme. I guess we can't underestimate fandom: the promoters here don't need payment with this kind of passion.

[–] Siresly@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

John Lithgow reacted to the open letter mentioned in this article, sent to him by "a very good friend who is the mother of a trans child" by saying "Why is this a factor at all?" and expressing sympathy for the transphobic bigot.

So it's unfortunate that he probably wouldn't know what a social media is if it slammed him right in the asshole - which is the entirety of him - because he certainly sounds deserving of decades of hell. Especially from his now hopefully former "very good friend."

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