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Source: https://sports.yahoo.com/how-the-bulls-situation-with-zach-lavine-is-taking-shape-211644393.html

If Chicago does intend to start a complete teardown and makeover, then Bulls guard and defensive stalwart Alex Caruso could possibly net Chicago its greatest return of any player on the roster. The sense around NBA decision-makers is that Caruso’s contract — still with another season at just under $10 million for 2024-25, plus his malleability alongside most players — could generate a market that touches most of the league, championship contenders and inexperienced playoff hopefuls alike. The Bulls have already required multiple first-round picks for the 29-year-old veteran when opposing teams have asked about Caruso’s availability. If his number of suitors were to indeed match the breadth of teams that checked with Portland about landing Jrue Holiday this fall, it’s not unreasonable to expect Caruso to fetch the Bulls a similar price point of draft capital, as Holiday netted the Blazers both a 2024 and 2029 first-round pick.

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[–] asianxxurlacher@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Caruso on the nuggets would be crazy

[–] weareallmoist@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

A lot of people still don’t get Caruso’s impact. He makes every lineup he’s in astronomically better, it almost feels like a cheat code.

[–] brucewayne1935@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Honestly? Two first for Caruso isn’t egregious. He’s probably a top three perimeter defender in the league.

[–] YKG1998@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Jrue Holiday is way better than Caruso though.

[–] LoxDnw@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

People are going to be shook when Caruso gets back more than LaVine or DeMar. But he's legit worth it. Cheap contract plays both sides of the floor, great teammate that will buy into your culture.

[–] BetweenTheBuzzAndMe@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

if those 1sts are guaranteed to be #29 and #30 then maybe. best of luck Chicago

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[–] iCOULDbewr0ng@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Excuse me what?????

[–] JustWinBabys@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Nevergonnagetit…..

[–] SinImportaLoQueDigan@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Multiple FRPs for Caruso is crazy lmao, Bulls are taking the Caruso memes too seriously

[–] poopy_mc_pantsy@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

No it isn't he's easily worth that. Gobert got 5 firsts lmao

[–] archerarcher0@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Is it? Assuming protections idk if it’s crazy at all, he could be the difference between winning a chip or not

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[–] Beavshak@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

That’s an absurd price for Caruso. Bet you can funnel $50k and a tuna sandwich to the White Sox and knock it down to one 2nd pick

[–] ThisOneGoes211@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Obviously I’m very biased in this, but if you’re truly in win-now mode and need a piece to give you the edge over other true contenders, Caruso can plug in to any team and give incredible defense for a very small salary hit. He can really be the difference maker in close games without requiring the ball. Multiple 1sts is a pretty greedy ask, but it’s not unreasonable to think some contender might be desperate and bold enough to do it

[–] thy_armageddon@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Pat Riley been doing some consulting work under the table?

[–] chitownbulls92@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

2 protected or late 1st rounders isn't as ridiculous as people make it sound. Caruso is a proven high impact player, 1st team all-defence with championship pedigree. It really just depends how badly a contender wants to win-now

[–] Produceher@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

People really act like a 1st round pick has some standard value. That couldn't be more wrong. It's literally a 1st overall pick up until the 30th and everything in between. Alex Cauruso is better than 2 players both picked in the high 20's to mid 30s. He's not as good as 2 number 7-10 picks though.

[–] pifhluk@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I've never understood the term championship pedigree. Like they have papers showing they are specifically bred from a long line of nba champions?

[–] TheUrbanExploration@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

FRP + 2 2nds seems like the value.

[–] JoJonesy@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

If they're heavily protected or likely late firsts, I could see two picks being on the table (or a pick and a swap). "It's not unreasonable to expect Caruso to get a similar price to Jrue Holiday" is just an insane statement though— we gave up a far future pick unprotected for Jrue, no one's gonna do that for Caruso

[–] poopy_mc_pantsy@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Jrue makes 37 million dollars and Caruso makes 9. Also teams get more value at the deadline

[–] Kentang_BayBay@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

LOL. So true. Alex Caruso is not in the same tier as Jrue Holiday. Late first round picks and possibly two 2nd round picks will do.

[–] Cheechers23@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Spurs got a first and 2 seconds for an expiring Poeltl, so this doesn't seem unreasonable to me

[–] gmbaker44@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Say you want 2 settle for 1.

[–] Dunlocke@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I assume because they're being offered mediocre FRPs by a lot of decent teams, so why not ask for 2? He's an all-NBA level defender on a good contract that has shown he part of a champion.

[–] Carne_Asada_Friez@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Multiple firsts sound crazy given his age, but he fits almost anywhere and contender’s picks will be late. I could see two picks + mini salary dump or first pick + semi-promising young player

[–] will_chill420@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Why is this front office allowed to even makes these phone calls? Do they have a history of making good trades, draft picks, and building a winner? Seems like a fairly underreported aspect of the story to this point.

[–] LA_burger@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

How is nobody mentioning Caruso’s injury history? He has only played over 60 games in a season twice and those were 64 and 67 games.

[–] jumboponcho@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Wing defense is valued at an all time high right now

[–] Dudedude88@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If you can shoot 3s too your 20 mil

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[–] Emotional-Chef-7601@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

One day there will be a documentary on the crimes of the Pelinka and Magic era.

[–] Splittinghairs7@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

The real crime was on Jeanie for not just paying for both tht and caruso

[–] Jaerba@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

When you consider his current contract, he's honestly one of the most valuable assets available right now (also considering a portion of the league can't be traded yet).

A team could wait until more options are available but that's also playing chicken with other contenders. I don't think it's insane.

[–] TheyCallMeTheWizard@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I’m going to get a ton of hate for this, but this is a guy the Thunder could absolutely benefit by having and could trade for him and not even blink. Especially on that contract

Caruso immediately boosts OKC’s defense to top 5

[–] RockEmSockEmRabi@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Top tier delusion right there

[–] bautistar1@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

They'll get more for him than lavine

[–] jpk7220@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

People in this sub continue to not have the first clue how negotiations work lol

[–] Adam2190@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I mean I love the guy and all but multiple first round picks???

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[–] EnoughLawfulness3163@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

He's got one of the most team friendly contracts in the league though.

[–] bigwoaf@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, but have you guys considered we are asking really nicely, and you’d really be doing us a solid?

[–] lolvalue@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

If you guys aren’t really that interested in moving him you might as well ask for the moon. I have a feeling they’ll have trouble moving lavine and have to include Caruso.

[–] Which_Hawk_7712@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

1 first should be perfectly acceptable

[–] OutsideDevTeam@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago
[–] OldManBrom@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And we let him go even when he was willing to take a discount, just to pay fucking THT. What a fumble.

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[–] jambr380@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Are we all really comparing Caruso to Jrue Holiday now?

[–] Prestigious-Rock201@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Nah I’m good

[–] lame_user_0824@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Not surprising, he's a championship caliber role player. Can fit in seamlessly in any system next to any star.

[–] thcsquad@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Seems like a lot at first but it makes sense that somebody has to make their trade the most enticing. I'm sure several teams would offer a single FRP. But somebody has to become the team with the best offer.

[–] Turon26@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

If they are projected late FRPs, then I honestly think it's worth it. Caruso is good and a clean fit in any team.

[–] StarryScans@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I like Caruso, but his value is 1 lottery pick at best.

Bulls are delusional

[–] Huge-Split6250@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Jakob Poetl commanded a FRP and multiple seconds at deadline. I expect similar value for caruso

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