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Trump is probably on the list, so he has to protect that. The Democrats had it during their entire presidency; even if they didn't want turmoil during their time in office, they could have released it after their presidential defeat and before Trump took office.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

There are probably highly placed people in both parties on the list. Is this saying "SeE, tHeY'rE BoTh ThE sAmE!!!"? No, it's saying both have bad actors in them. Neither party has a claim to being morally pristine, because that would be stupid and so is insisting that they should.

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[–] fodor@lemmy.zip -4 points 3 days ago

Your premise is wrong. The Democrats never had the list, and the Republicans don't have it now. The people who actually have that list, and those documents, have names. Use those names. Don't trick yourself into believing that some random congressperson has access or authority.

[–] null@slrpnk.net -2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

What is "the list"? How do we know the government even has "the list"?

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[–] saimen@feddit.org 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

I am wondering now. How could such a list even be proven real or couldn't trump just fake one?

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Because anyone (everyone) on that list is going to immediately sue for defamation etc, and if they don't have evidence or they messed up the chain of custody on that evidence, it'll be an issue. They also will be able to look at all the evidence through discovery and see if it's tampered with. So that's why they can't release even 1 name, because they are protecting Trump

[–] saimen@feddit.org 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

But still then, how would all this evidence even look like? Some piece of papers and flight logs? Even if they released all the real evidence I suspect it won't hold up against all the people on the list discrediting it.

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

Epstein took extensive video footage of every single thing that happened in his houses. That's why Pam Bondi said it was "child porn." They have the entire act on footage. Blackmail isn't very effective otherwise.

[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I think manufacturing the complex evidence needed here wouldn’t be possible.

I had a similar thought. Why didn’t they just release democrat names? And I think it’s because while they know they can claim nothing exists (What they are doing now, after having access), if they try to cherry-pick info and claim that’s all that exists, someone with knowledge in the matter will be able to leak/prove they are cherry picking.

It’s also very tempting to buy into the idea that if the list is as long and vast as some suggest, it will undermine trust in a very real way that goes beyond MAGA/Qanon fringe conspiracy circles. I could see the Trump admin, as stupid and bumbling as they are, recognizing the fire they are playing with.

I hate how kooky that all sounds. What a fucked up situation.

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