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Trump is probably on the list, so he has to protect that. The Democrats had it during their entire presidency; even if they didn't want turmoil during their time in office, they could have released it after their presidential defeat and before Trump took office.

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[–] IdontplaytheTrombone@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

Probably a lot of people on both sides.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago
[–] Denjin@lemmings.world 6 points 1 day ago

Maybe the idea that Epstein was at the head of a global network of paedophiles, involved with trafficking young girls and boys for the likes of Trump, Clinton and Gates is fanciful.

Impossible? No. Improbable? Yes.

The idea that this is all some Mossad psi-op to influence US politics is also bonkers and predictably falls into classic anti-semitic tropes.

Is it tittilating and fun to speculate about with people online? Sure. Does social and traditional media love a good juicy story like this and will continue to give it play and play? Absolutely.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago

Propriety, ironically.

[–] callyral@pawb.social 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No idea, but I read the title like it was the setup to a joke.

[–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 day ago

The Aristocrats!

[–] Coyote_sly@lemmy.world 63 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Because Democratic leadership is aware that Republicans aren't their actual enemies, and a ton of them are also on the list.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The democrats are aware that their names are on the list and they’re the only ones that will be held accountable for it. The republicans will hold witch burnings while completely ignoring their own member’s names on the list.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

will be held accountable for it

sweet summer child

[–] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 33 points 2 days ago

As non-American, the reason I think that Democrats didn't release the list was that not only were some Democrats and their donors on it, they knew that they would be crucified by Republicans and Americans for it. The also knew that at the same time all the Republicans and their donors on the list would be let off because laws, morality, ethics are only ever to be used to oppress the poor and non-whites or to combat Democratic politicians. Do you think Trump would ever have made it to President as a Democrat? There is a reason he switched to become a Republican.

[–] Fedegenerate@lemmynsfw.com 140 points 3 days ago (1 children)

For the same reason republicans won't: They're on the list, their friends are on the list and their donors are on the list.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 49 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The last point is the most important.

[–] IhaveCrabs111@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The difference is the democrats didn’t campaign on the promise of releasing it. And MAGAs believed him for some weird reason

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

So? Do you think a politician cares about their campaign promisses, or gets held to them? They very often do the exact opposite of what they promised actually

[–] IhaveCrabs111@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

The point I’m making is Biden never campaigned on releasing the Epstein files. So it shouldn’t be surprising that he protected the people on the list. Trump did and his idiots fully expected him to release the list because he’s an honest person who keeps his promises. Trump knowingly and intentionally got votes from the psycho qanon types who have always believed trump is playing 4D chess.

It’s important to note that the goal posts have moved. Originally people wanted to see the “black book” which may be what the client list has come from. The black book got released and it’s got lots of people in it but it didn’t prove any crimes, only that he associated with them. People kept talking about it and believed it was being kept secret because nothing happens and no one got charged with anything. I believe the “client list” which appears to be a new idea, is directly talking about a list of people who the fbi have information on of committing crimes where Epstein supplied underaged girls to them.

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[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 218 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I assume because there were some high profile dems on the list.

[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 124 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yup. Everybody's just going to pretend nothing ever happened and move on.

Just to be clear, that is not what should happen

[–] chunes@lemmy.world 84 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Even if it comes to light, I have doubts anything will come of it. Look what happened with the Panama papers. Basically only Iceland did anything about it.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 35 points 3 days ago

Australia acted on it for what it’s worth.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 21 points 3 days ago

they bombed a reporter over it.

[–] danzabia@infosec.pub 13 points 3 days ago

Iceland had the highest profile result so perhaps it may seem that way, but many countries investigated and prosecuted individuals. In addition, it caused the entire global financial system to redouble AML efforts.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 11 points 3 days ago

probably some hollywood execs, and AIPAC people too.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 65 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The obvious is that Dems are on the list too. Which is undoubtedly true. Even more importantly than that donors. But the fact that Merrick Garland was involved and he'd never to anything to make Trump look bad ever should also be remembered.

guilty by association.

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 102 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Because most of their big money donors are also on the list.

[–] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If someone hands you $50,000 a year with no questions every year, it’s hard to say no when they squeeze your hand and ask you to reconsider releasing it.

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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 97 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)
[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 43 points 3 days ago (2 children)

And Bill Gates, probably. I have a feeling that was a reason for Melinda to split because she has never given a straightforward answer. It was just, "Oh, we're splitting for reasons."

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

She just gave an interview where she confirmed Epstein was a major reason for the divorce amongst other reasons. She said she met Epstein one time and had nightmares afterwards.

[–] TehBamski@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

https://youtu.be/CTy7P9iEMbg

2:09-3:10, the question directly before this is about his infidelities, she ends it with specific legal language "Ask Bill."

[–] LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

People just split for irreconcilable differences all the time, they don't owe the public an explanation.

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Except their split happened when it was revealed he was in contact with Epstein. And "differences" is vague enough that not many people care after. Keeping silent isn't admitting "differences" with a spouse that you've been with for years.

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[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 67 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Its rumored that Epstein was working with Israeli Intelligence so they probably have big files on many prominent Democrats and Republicans which is why everybody talks a big game about releasing the client list (if it exists) but never follows through. Its stuff like this that exposes the real game that both these parties are working together against the American people. The party always comes first.

[–] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 33 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Pretty sure he was an asset and Ghislaine is the agent. Both based in who’s alive, and whose father’s funeral was attended by multiple former heads of Mossad.

[–] TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

This is the part that should be brought up always. MOSSAD ATTENDED STATE FUNERAL

it's all a game. They use the vulnerable as currency and bargaining chips. Literal evil.

I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favorite conspiracy on the Citadel.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 47 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

because includes alot of politicians, donors, and other world leaders, movie executives. just like the panama papers got swept under the carpet, it including tons of rich people.

Gates, musk, trump, hawkings, diddy,,,etc.

[–] 667@lemmy.radio 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Subsequent to the Panama Papers, there were arrests and financial seizures in many of the named countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Papers?wprov=sfti1#Recovered_money

[–] hactar42@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago

Let's not forget the assassination of one of the reporters https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daphne_Caruana_Galizia#Death

[–] kcweller@feddit.nl 33 points 2 days ago

Because Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same coin?

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 37 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Simple, they have more to loose than what they stand to gain.

There are almost certainly several high profile democrats on the list, they don't want to expose themselves so they are blocking the release.

But ok, let's assume that the list has zero democrats on it, that doesn't matter at this point, since it will be extremely difficult to find someone who the public can actually trust to give them real unbiased data.

The republicans knows that they can just lie and say that anyone in the democrats is on the list and just about everyone of their supporters will believe them

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[–] fodor@lemmy.zip -4 points 1 day ago

Your premise is wrong. The Democrats never had the list, and the Republicans don't have it now. The people who actually have that list, and those documents, have names. Use those names. Don't trick yourself into believing that some random congressperson has access or authority.

[–] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 22 points 3 days ago

Two sides of the same coin. The Dems claim to protect the underdog, the Reps claim to oppress the underdog. Each identity politics appeals to a different demographic.

The thing that's the same between them is that they ALWAYS protect capital.

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