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“I think it’s going to require a little bit less navel-gazing and a little less whining and being in fetal positions. And it’s going to require Democrats to just toughen up,” Obama said at the fundraiser

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[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (3 children)

yes, its the navel gazing voters who are to blame here:

128 Dems shot down the trump impeachment push recently. https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-impeachment-aoc-al-green-democrats-vote-b2776294.html

16 Senate Dems Join GOP to Advance Crypto Bill—A Gift to Trump’s ‘Reeking Corruption’ https://www.commondreams.org/news/senate-democrats-genius-bill-advance

A Tale of Two Resolutions: 75 Dems Join GOP in Resolution Praising Trump’s Mass Deportation Regime https://jonathancohn.medium.com/a-tale-of-two-resolutions-75-dems-join-gop-in-resolution-praising-trumps-mass-deportation-regime-15cf590770ea

Democrats join Republicans in sanctuary city crackdown https://www.usconstitution.net/why-some-democrats-joined-republicans-in-a-sanctuary-city-crackdown/

Dems join Republicans to boost defense spending in Trump agenda bill https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2025/04/29/congress/dems-join-gop-to-boost-defense-spending-00317618

Texas Democrats join Republicans to place citizen voting requirement on statewide ballots in 2025 after blocking the amendment in 2023 https://news.ballotpedia.org/2025/05/16/texas-democrats-join-republicans-to-place-citizen-voting-requirement-on-statewide-ballots-in-2025-after-blocking-the-amendment-in-2023/

7 Democrats vote for GOP resolution condemning LA protests https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5373771-la-riots-gop-resolution-democrats/

Four Democrats join Republicans to pass SAVE Act bill that requires proof of citizenship to vote https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/house-vote-save-act-voter-id-b2731102.html

Six U.S. House Dems join GOP in condemning Harris, Biden administration over border policy https://washingtonstatestandard.com/2024/07/25/six-u-s-house-dems-join-gop-in-condemning-harris-biden-administration-over-border-policy/

15 Democrats Join House GOP to Pass ‘MAGA Assault’ on Nonprofits https://www.commondreams.org/news/hr-9495-passed

Some Democrats join Republicans in voting to strike down Biden’s EV mandate https://walberg.house.gov/media/in-the-news/fox-news-some-democrats-join-republicans-voting-strike-down-bidens-ev-mandate

Most Senate Democrats Join Republicans in Calling for Corporate Tax Break https://itep.org/most-senate-democrats-join-republicans-in-calling-for-corporate-tax-break/

Sen. Elissa Slotkin is lone Democrat to cross party lines in vote to revoke California’s EV emissions waivers https://www.cbsnews.com/detroit/news/elissa-slotkin-california-ev-vote-senate/

8 House Democrats join Republicans in voting to strike down California’s electric vehicle mandate https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-democrats-join-republicans-voting-strike-down-californias-electric-vehicle-mandate

Full List of Democrats Voting to Block California Ban on Gas-Powered Cars https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-democrats-block-california-gas-car-ban-2066890 https://www.splinter.com/35-house-democrats-join-republicans-in-declaring-themselves-enemies-of-climate-progress

Democrats join GOP to kill air pollution, appliance rules https://www.eenews.net/articles/democrats-join-gop-to-kill-air-pollution-appliance-rules/

House Democrats bash Senate colleagues for backing GOP spending bill: ‘Huge slap in the face’ https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5194414-house-democrats-senate-spending-bill/

10 Democrats join with Republicans to censure Rep. Al Green for Trump speech protest https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/06/politics/al-green-censure-trump-protest-house

Senate Democrats join Republicans to gut Dodd-Frank banking regulations https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/03/16/dodd-m16.html

62 DEMOCRATS JOIN 207 REPUBLICANS IN VOTE TO CONCEAL GAZA DEATH TOLL https://theintercept.com/2024/06/27/congress-gaza-death-toll-democrats/

81 Democrats Vote With GOP for Military Budget Barring Gaza Death Toll Citation https://truthout.org/articles/81-democrats-vote-with-gop-for-military-budget-barring-gaza-death-toll-citations/

16 Democrats join most Republicans to force administration to send arms to Israel https://jewishinsider.com/2024/05/16-democrats-join-most-republicans-to-force-administration-to-send-arms-to-israel/

Over 20 Democrats join Republicans in House censure vote of Rashida Tlaib over Israel-Hamas war comments https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-live-house-democrats-hold-news-briefing-after-censure-of-rep-tlaib-over-comments-on-israel

‘Deep sense of outrage and betrayal’: House Democrats react to Schumer announcement https://www.npr.org/2025/03/13/nx-s1-5327600/house-democrats-outrage-spending

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not one single Democrat should EVER vote for ANY MAGA sponsored legislation.

We need Democratic leaders who will resist the MAGA Nazis at every opportunity, and deliberately create more opportunities to resist them, just to antagonize them. Leadership should warm their people before every vote, that Dem crossover voters will be harshly punished. Then DO IT.

The Dem leadership in the Senate, House, and DNC needs to be purged, and replaced with Democratic Warriors. If you aren't willing to go to war against the MAGA Nazis, then you must resign, and make way for someone who will fight.

[–] InputZero@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

While I agree I don't think you'll get many Democrats who are willing to put their necks out to stop him now that it's open season for hunting Democrats. What would you do if you were in the Senate or Congress? Would you vote to impeach the Orange Julius Caesar and have your family at the top of every crazy MAGA supporters hit list or are you going to stay quiet, stay low, and don't bring any attention to yourself until you can lose your seat to a republican. One option your kids are targets of domestic terrorists, the other you get to collect a fat paycheck.

Cause if you think the last set of Democrats who were murdered will be the only ones, you're nieve.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago

you’re nieve.

I'm a big enough fan of the word naive to be a grammar nazi here and say to remember its evian (like the water) spelled backward.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago

What would I do? I'd go to fucking war. If I were getting into politics, it wouldn't be to play it safe, it would be to cause trouble for the MAGA Nazis. They want a piece of me? Have at it assholes, I'll be your worst nightmare wherever you put me, until you finally execute me for being too much trouble. But know that I'll take as many with me as I can.

I've made my peace with the idea that my life may have a twist ending that I wasn't expecting when I was growing up. Dying an old man in my sleep seems like a wasted opportunity to me.

Right now I'm biding my time, but I'm arming up, stockpiling ammo, and going to the range. I'm also accumulating non-lethal/ silent weapons, as well as stockpiling food and supplies.

If anything happens to my family, it's on.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 day ago

Can't forget all the votes to confirm trump appointees

[–] Uruanna@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

yes, its the navel gazing voters who are to blame here:

He was speaking at a private fundraiser, I don't think he was talking about the voters. It was about the party looking around for a strong leader and doing nothing while ignoring the various races that were actually going well against the right.

[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 40 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Cuz the man who gave up Universal Healthcare to give us fucking Romneycare while having total control of the govt really knows how to play hardball.

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I don't like Obama much - his drone strikes and war-hawkish policy nor bailing out the banks when he had them over a barrel, but i'm tired of this bullshit narrative.

House control: yes, no question.

Senate control: barely.

Obama would not have even been able to pass his bank ~~robbery~~ 'stimulus' without three Republicans crossing the aisle to vote for it in early 2009. Yes, very much a man with 'total control' of the government..

Obama had just 4 months with senate control, and that whole time it was on a knife edge. 60 (of 100) votes are needed to bring legislation to the floor to even be voted on without filibuster. So for 'total control' a party needs 60 seats/votes in the senate. The dems had 57 in Jan 2009 at the start of Obama's congress, with 2 independents (Bernie and Joe Liebermann) who caucused with them, taking them to 59. Republicans had 41.

That 59 included Ted Kennedy whom had a seizure during an Inauguration lunch of Obama's (he was privately dying of brain cancer) and he never returned to vote in the senate - dropping the number to 58. Also, Al Franken was not seated until july due to a very close election in his seat and multiple recounts - until then the number was 57.

Long story short by September 24th they finally had 60 seats.. But democrats are not a monolith. Just as there are Manchins and Sinemas and other 'Democrats' in recent memory that are barely left of Ted Cruz, there were several of similar ilk back then like Max Baucus, Kent Conrad, Ben Nelson - and their independent caucus member Joe Lieberman, mentioned earlier - who all fought against much of Obama's legislation, for example with respect to Obamacare they quashed any chance of a public option and single payer.

So did he have control: technically, briefly. Could Obama just run through any legislation he wanted during that time? Absolutely fucking not.

[–] zenitsu@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Obama the "war hawk" who just watched as Russia strolled into Crimea

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[–] monkinto@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Right… and what are the current republican majorities?

This narrative is frankly anything but bullshit.

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[–] Balerion@piefed.blahaj.zone 161 points 3 days ago (91 children)

Jesus. You know it's bad when even a spineless centrist like Obama is calling them on their shit.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago

During the Reagan administration, Obama would have been Republican.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 97 points 3 days ago (3 children)

"Stop whining and Vote Blue No Matter Who"

"Great, I'm voting for Mamdani for Mayor"

"WHOA! WHOA! WHOA! Not like that!"

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[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 49 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Mr. Obama, you caved on all of the major issues. You were a great candidate, an amazing speech giver, and a mediocre president. And that's OK -- we would be happy with mediocre today -- but you don't get to tell us what's good for the party when you are the perfect example of its biggest problem.

[–] johncandy1812@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Obama promised to close Guantanamo if elected. He noped out of it almost immediately.

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago

A-fucking-men!

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 64 points 2 days ago (2 children)

This motherfucker is half the reason we’re in the position we’re in. How many whistleblowers and journalists did he prosecute?

We see you

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[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 119 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

This is one of those platitudes that is too vague to be of any real value.

It's like telling someone to be confident. "Just figure out what you need to do and do that thing!"

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 55 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah - the centrists and neoliberals will take this to mean “do more centrist and neoliberal things”; progressives will take this to mean “do more progressive things”; the DNC will take this to mean “give more money to centrist and neoliberal consultants and ignore what people are actually saying”. Not helpful in any sense.

So, in an unironic, but still very sarcastic and disappointed sense: thanks Obama 😒

Seriously, maybe tell the Democratic leadership to pull their head out of their ass and listen to people - as you did back in 07-08, which carried you to victory. And then gasp follow through on what they say, up to and including taking a page out of the GOP playbook - just do things that are helpful to normal people and say “fuck you, make me” when centrists and republicans try to stop you. We now have an imperial presidency, after all, so why not try to use it to do some good when (or if 😓) non-fascists get into power again.

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[–] ordinarylove@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

says the asshole who started the drone war in Yemen

[–] KingPorkChop@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 days ago

says the asshole who let McConnell and the GOP steal his supreme court seat

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