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[–] FunkyMonk@kbin.social 30 points 10 months ago

less than 5% of richest nations wealth in the hands of those under 40 and 2/3rds of us aren't even able to make any signifigant lifestyle choices to change global colapse of life, the planet is controlled by Lich Kings.

[–] ElBarto@sh.itjust.works 24 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Sooo there IS an easy way to slow down climate change......

[–] CheesyFox@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] ElBarto@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 months ago

That's step 2.

[–] Rusticus@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] SlikPikker@lemmy.ca 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I propose that, instead, we beat them up and take "their" stuff

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago

Since time immemorial we have done this and it has worked, since all you needed was a rabble of angry people sporting pitchforks marching to the rich man's house, and he'd have to hire at least half the number of troops to repel you.

Nowadays, we don't know where the rich live, and we have killing machines so efficient that a single one could flatten a crowd.

The odds have never been so bad for us

[–] kalkulat@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Obviously we have to impose a way to make them care much more about that. (If they can stand the shock of a better grip on reality or not.)

[–] tankplanker@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Best you will get is them pretending to do their part with some carbon offsetting that isn't currently working and guilting everyone else into doing their part while making no actual sacrifices to their lifestyle that is so far beyond even the 10% richest people globally.

I get that they aren't the only group we need to address for climate change but I will be fucked if the majority have to give up nice things while they get to fuck about with no changes when they already have way more than everybody else.

Plus there is the cost of climate change solutions, as a percentage of their wealth implementing climate friendly solutions is peanuts, whereas the bottom of the 10% is significant part of their money.

Take the UK PM, Rishi Sunak. He had a brand new pool put in for his home in his consistency. Rather than using solar heating for the pool as an eco house like Moonstone does he paid to have the grid upgraded so he could have three phase electric installed just to heat his pool. Its about £18k of electric a year to heat his pool, so hes personally added that extra demand when he could and should have been forced to chose an eco friendly option that Moonstone proves works for large UK properties.

Unless you introduce legislation that completely mandates climate friendly options as the only option they simply wont do them.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hey listen, I know money is tight but, the people of Hawaii need your leftover scraps to put together their lives lost from the fires.

I know, I, Oprah Winfrey, literally own a large portion of the state Hawaii, but come on y'all. I worked hard for my money, you peas-- people know that. So please, donate what you can while me and Dwayne the Rock Johnson fly individual private jets somewhere to film a guilt trippy promo in a move that ultimately protects my assets.

[–] tankplanker@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Exactly, plus what little they give to such worthy causes relative to their wealth is fully tax deductible. Much like the Rocks donation to SAG.

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Better yet, how about we stop them from existing. I favour taxation, but there's other options.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago
[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 months ago
[–] A_A@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

emit ... carbon dioxide
Noteworthy figure though.

Just imagine how great for the ~~world~~ planet it would be if international hackers would steal all the wealth of these 1% to give it to the poor.
(as described today here :
https://lemmy.world/post/8502129 )

[–] tweeks@feddit.nl 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Do they.. just breath really fast?

[–] Person264@lemmings.world 7 points 10 months ago

Lizards typically breathe faster than humans

[–] spyd3r@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 months ago

Come on bottom 2/3rds you're slacking off!

[–] qooqie@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Not sure if it’s still true but if you live in a normal western country you are in the top 1% most likely

[–] randomname01@feddit.nl 29 points 10 months ago

Top 1% is 80 million people, and there are a lot more than 80 million people living in western countries. I see your basic point, but the math doesn’t work out.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 23 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Not quite.

To be among the global top 10 percent, you may not need as much money as you think. According to the 2018 Global Wealth Report from Credit Suisse Research Institute, you don’t even need six figures.

A net worth of $93,170 U.S. is enough to make you richer than 90 percent of people around the world, Credit Suisse reports. The institute defines net worth, or “wealth,” as “the value of financial assets plus real assets (principally housing) owned by households, minus their debts.”

More than 102 million people in America are in the 10 percent worldwide, Credit Suisse reports, far more than from any other country.

You need significantly less to be among the global 50 percent: If you have just $4,210 to your name, you’re still richer than half of the world’s residents. And it takes a net worth of $871,320 to join the global 1 percent. More than 19 million Americans qualify, Credit Suisse reports.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/07/how-much-money-you-need-to-be-in-the-richest-10-percent-worldwide.html

There's a good chance you're in the top 10%, but the global top 1% is still the upper class.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Also it's an extremely dumb take on economics. 93,170 USD doesn't have the same value globally. You can own an entire factory for 93k in Bangladesh and just get by in NYC - how do you calculate emissions here? So, any statistics should consider regional 1% not global.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

This obviously does not adjust for local economies. In some places $92k is considered low income.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] hh93@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

I only looked up the distribution for the last time an article about the top 10% was published and at least here in Germany if you earn the median amount of money you are part of that 10%

[–] the_q@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Numbers is hard.

[–] CodeInvasion@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago

The actual study claims that top 10% is $41k and accounts for 50% of carbon emissions. No where does it normalize incomes for those from Kenya as the article claims. So these incomes are viewed globally. If you are in the US and make more than $20/hr hours a week, you are top 10%.

$67/hr makes you top 1%.

Others are calling to eat the rich without realizing that the global rich includes low wage earners flipping burgers at McDonald's (I'm in Boston and minimum wage is $15/hr and an assistant manager can be hired for $22/hr).

https://oxfamilibrary.openrepository.com/bitstream/10546/621551/2/cr-climate-equality-201123-en.pdf

[–] PatFussy@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Why would this study measure top 1% based on purchasing power? There is a hillariously large difference between some kenyan making 40k and some american person making 140k. Saying they emit the same is just disingenuous. I would imagine an american in the bottom 10% still has more emissions than a kenyan in the top 10%.

[–] hedgehogging_the_bed@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Guaranteed the top 1% of Kenyans produce more emissions than the bottom 60% of Kenyans and the bottom 60% of Americans. One super rich person with a jet can produce literally tons more emissions than a normal person without one. Kenyan elite aren't somehow less wasteful emitters because their country has overall less emissions.

[–] PatFussy@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Except if you actually read the article you would see that in a place like kenya the cut off was 40k for their calculations. I dont remember private jets going for that low. Hence my reaction.

Edit: you can downvote me or alternatively you can just read the article lmao