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submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by Pantherina@feddit.de to c/linux@lemmy.ml
 

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[–] Neil@lemmy.ml 228 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Arch user here.

My recommendation to noobies is always Linux Mint even though I don't use it.

I use Arch, btw.

[–] stinerman@midwest.social 80 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I think Arch is fine, but I'd never recommend it to a new Linux user.

[–] 3laws@lemmy.world 62 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Most Arch users (myself included) don't recommend Arch to n00bs or even light seasoned Linux users if they already are happy with their setup.

But the meme is the meme and I like bullying Arch elitists.

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[–] ProtonBadger@kbin.social 30 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Indeed, besides most linux distributions are fairly equally lightweight and can be customized. I tried 4-5 distros this past January (Arch being one) when I got my new gaming laptop and they all booted in ~9.5 sec for example, and perform equally well in general, they had fairly similar RAM load with the same desktop environment.

Arch is about managing the system as a hobby, which is fine.

One problem here is that new users install Endeavour/Garuda but don't know how to manage updates safely about pacnew/pacsave/etc. So the system might slowly "rot" without them knowing about it because new components use old configs, etc..

I also recommend Mint to new users. I don't use Mint, nor do I use Arch.

[–] TheRedSpade@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Arch is about managing the system as a hobby

You're thinking of Gentoo.

[–] RiikkaTheIcePrincess@kbin.social 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

As a Gentoo user currently vacationing in Arch-land I'm not sure whether to feel insulted or affirmed. Imean, it is but some might say that to disparage it or its users 😅

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[–] PhoenixTwoFive@iusearchlinux.fyi 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Hey, you're on the wrong Lemmy instance. :P

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[–] SamsonSeinfelder@feddit.de 108 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Isn't archwiki one of the most comprehended wikis for Linux distros out there? If anything, the arch-wiki (to me) has often too many answers for the same problem than the other way around.

[–] skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 46 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (13 children)

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[–] stinerman@midwest.social 25 points 11 months ago

I run Debian and I regularly look at the Arch wiki.

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[–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 75 points 11 months ago (2 children)

A lot of new users are coming to Linux not because they like tinkering with their setup but because they are tired of Microsoft tinkering with their setup. For these people Arch will probably never be the answer. That's ok, we should encourage all Linux adoption and the best way to do that is to start with the simple and familiar.

[–] milkjug@lemmy.wildfyre.dev 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I mean, who doesn't love to have candy crush and facebook automatically bundled with their OS? I mean, I had a fantastic two years waiting for the never combine taskbar feature to be released. The never-ending prompt to make edge my default browser is also utterly refreshing. m$ is so ahead of the game, they even anticipated my needs by shoving onedrive prompts in my control panel. How about that Office 365? Have you tried it yet? No? Well you're missing out my man, in case you change your mind I'm going to put it right there in the front page of settings so you'll never miss it.

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[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 71 points 11 months ago (8 children)

heres the thing: as a decade+ software dev, I never want to even think about my distro.

I just want Linux terminal style commands, and Linux style ssh shit to just work in the most middle of the road way as possible. I'm trying to get a job done, not build a personality.

[–] Kushia@lemmy.ml 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

This is me too and why I no longer use Arch btw.

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Weird shot at the Arch wiki, which is truly great. I turn to it regularly despite not using Arch.

[–] milkjug@lemmy.wildfyre.dev 38 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (14 children)

Ex arch btw user here. I noped out and wiped after thinking I had it all nailed down, then I tried to connect my Bluetooth headphones and I came to a grand awakening. I am too old for this shit.

Installed Tumbleweed and been happy ever since.

[–] interceder270@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

I am too old for this shit.

You don't even have to be old; just wise.

[–] al177@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 11 months ago

Tumbleweed is boring, and that's why it's wonderful.

[–] yum13241@lemm.ee 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Tumbleweed is great, but I prefer EndeavorOS myself.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Starbucks coffee is great, but I prefer vicious, unrelenting cock and ball torture myself.

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[–] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 34 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

For a total newbie, Linux Mint or PopOS are probably the best options. But EndeavourOS is getting there. There shouldn't be any issues during the installation if one sticks to the defaults. Only thing is, it doesn't come with a graphical package manager out of the box. But once that is installed (I think anyone will be happy to write a single terminal command, at least), I don't see why it's any harder to use than any other distro.

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[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 34 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I use Ubuntu. It generally tends to be boring stable, which is kinda what I want out of my OS these days. I can still customize it, and even break it if I really get bored, but it's nice to have things just work for the most part.

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[–] turbowafflz@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (15 children)

I had a friend who wanted to try linux but insisted on arch because it's what I used at the time even though I said they shouldn't and gave many suggestions for better distros. They gave up after about a day and went back to windows. I don't know what they expected, multiple people warned them not to use arch.

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[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 30 points 11 months ago

I will always recommend Debian or Debian based distros to anyone new to Linux. They'll find their way to arch eventually

Arch btw

[–] carpelbridgesyndrome@sh.itjust.works 29 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I will not stand slander of the arch wiki.

Also start with Linux Mint XFCE (unless they've fixed the stability problems with cinnamon)

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[–] Aradia@lemmy.ml 24 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I don't have any issue with Arch, everything works. But when I try other distros, they are mostly messed up.

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[–] araozu@lemm.ee 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If the arch wiki doesn't have the answer, I just give up

[–] library_napper@monyet.cc 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The most unrealistic part of this

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[–] drkt@feddit.dk 22 points 11 months ago (2 children)

My first ever distro was Arch, over a decade ago.

I just consider it my trial by fire, everything has been smooth sailing since because anything else is easier!

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[–] Titou@feddit.de 21 points 11 months ago

"Wiki do not have answer" that's why the wiki is also used by non-arch users ?

[–] Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi 18 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Bruh, if you're going to insist on someone installing arch, at least sit by their side and walk them through it.

Having installed arch multiple times before, I can get a base system with networking and desktop environment up in half a day to a day depending on which DE.

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[–] ethd@beehaw.org 17 points 11 months ago

Ok look I'm not a huge Arch fan either (it's great for learning the ins and outs of Linux but I've gotten to the point that stability is more important than anything to me) but the wiki is the most thorough Linux documentation you can get anywhere. It always, always has the answer, even if you don't use Arch, lol.

[–] Sanyanov@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago (10 children)

Arch is easy to install; it's a headache to manage.

If you want a stable Arch, you need to check the updates and take very granular control over packages and versioning.

While some nerds may like tinkering with their system in all those ways, for regular user Arch is simply too much effort to maintain.

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[–] Commiunism@lemmy.wtf 15 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I don't get the hate arch gets - it's the perfect distro if you want to choose what programs you want to use, it's not meant to be an out of the box experience. Been using it for 3 years, and sure it might take me a couple of hours to set up initially, but after that I don't really have to do anything.

[–] pathief@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago (9 children)

It's awful for most new users, though. They don't even know what the options are, how can they choose anything?

Not every new user is the same but if they are absolute newbies they should start with a user friendly distro, which Arch definitely isn't.

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[–] Chobbes@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

I think Arch kind of deserves the hate it gets. I love barebones distros and have been a gentoo user (now on NixOS), and I’ve used arch a fair bit too… I just don’t feel like Arch is a well maintained distribution. There’s all sorts of little things that they can’t seem to get right that other distros do, like that silly issue where they won’t update the arch keyring first, so if you haven’t updated in a while it breaks. In my experience there’s a million little paper cuts like this and I’ve just been kind of unimpressed. If it works for you that’s great! I’ve just been disappointed with it. I get the niche that it fills as the binary “from scratch” rolling release distro, but I think the experience with it is a little rough. I’ve found gentoo more user friendly, which probably sounds bizarre if you haven’t used gentoo, but ignoring compiling stuff, gentoo does an excellent job of not breaking things on updates, and it’s much easier to pin and install specific versions of packages and stuff.

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[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 14 points 11 months ago

More Endeavour recommendations

[–] max641@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Moved from Fedora > Arch > Manjaro > Fedora > Debian. I consider Arch for learning purposes. For troubleshooting / recoveries , that knowledge will be a great help.

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[–] dewritoninja@pawb.social 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I always say Ubuntu, to make the haters snap

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[–] Lojcs@lemm.ee 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Arch wasn't my first distro but it was my first daily driver. Found it easier than both mint and Ubuntu personally.

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[–] corship@feddit.de 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Nvidia?

More like:

Nie-wieder!

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