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The Orlando Magic are currently a hot team with a 10-5 record. But can they sustain their success? Their defensive play is a huge factor why they’re currently rolling but on offense they can still get a bit stagnant. In comes Zach Lavine, I will talk about the pros and cons of a potential trade to the Magic.

Firstly the pros, Zach immediately makes Orlando a more threatening offense and his defensive shortcomings could be hidden on this team (depending on what they give up for him, but I’ll get into that later). Zach is a much needed shooter and floor spacer this team needs, and he has genuine take over ability. His fit with Paolo and Franz is an interesting one, and it comes with good and bad. The good being that in theory Paolo and Franz should become more effective on offense (even more than they are) with the improved spacing. And the bad?

Well now let’s shift to the cons, as it pertains to Zach fit with Orlando’s duo, this move could also take the ball out of Franz and Paolo’s hand. Personally I think Fultz being out and the ball being in their hands… is a huge reason for Magic’s success and is good for the young duo’s development. And it’s not like Zach needs the ball to be effective, but decision making and shot selection is a real flaw in Lavine’s game. It could hold Paolo and Franz’s back or Orlando could live with it, depends on how bad you think this part of Zach’s game actually is.

Now what would a package look like for Lavine, well an important factor here is defense. It would be in Orlando’s best interest to keep their defense intact in a potential Lavine trade. So of course Suggs, Black would be untouchable. Goga, Harris and Isaac much less so, but still not ideal as they are huge for the Magic’s defense currently. Obviously a package centered around picks would be the move for Orlando here, similar to the Mitchell to Cavs trade. Because while Orlando is a team on the rise, a collapse and early pick is always a possibility with a young team. I have Fultz, one of Goga/Harris/Isaac, and 2 1st going to the Bulls. Chuma Okeke or another bench player also involved for salary matching purposes.

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[–] drjisftw@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I honestly figured a package for LaVine would be something like Suggs, JI and Harris. Would Fultz have any value?

Also something to consider - after the travesty that was the Vooch trade, would Chicago want to deal with the Magic again?

[–] DNP__Rest@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Yeah that would be an awful trade

[–] Timely_Airline_7168@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

They gut their defensive identity for Lavine? Yeah, I'd pass.

[–] DNP__Rest@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago
[–] TheseWalls_@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

No, because of fantasy reasons. I have both Franz and Paolo.

[–] gmbaker44@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

No. The Magic’s FGAs are spread out across the roster and play team ball. It would just take away from Franz and Paolo’s attempts/development. I’d rather take some Ls in the short term.

[–] Long-Ad8374@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Take him to Detroit!!!

[–] unclehelpful@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

There are not many teams where trading for a not quite good enough second banana is going to make them better.

[–] DrBigChicken@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Who should trade for Lavine?

[–] UnearthlyDinosaur@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Lakers. Lebron needs more help ……

[–] Boomhauer_007@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

A team trying to tank

He’s an above average scorer on a terrible contract relative to his production but isn’t a malcontent; the perfect tank commander combo

[–] RVAIsTheGreatest@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Magic will aim higher than LaVine if they make a deal like that to cash their chips in and go all-in.

[–] Tough-South-4610@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Can I ask magic fans why it is a no? I got no dog in the race but he seems like a great addition for spacing and offence in general. Is it the package needed to trade for lavine? Is it development of prospects that he could interfere with? Is it the his contract could fuck up your caps space? I just asking cause he would probably be until the end of his contract way better the even the realistic best cases for your guards, and after this contract you could move off of him if he is washed from injuries.

[–] rps215@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

it's nuts a question providing context is downvoted

[–] KarlTuckerson@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

No. High energy squad does not need a low energy defender

[–] jaywalker_69@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I just think the price for Lavine is so low and he does fit their needs so I wouldn't be opposed

On the other hand I don't see this as a title contention move and with their young core they probably be more patient

[–] rtillaree@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago
[–] Imthegoat175@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

No. Magic are in a good spot long term. Makes no sense to trade assets for Lavine who is a losing player.

[–] HoeImOddyNuff@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Zach Lavine has not played winning basketball in his career. He has a terrible win/loss record for the games he’s played in.

There’s have a slightly poor win/loss record because you’re young, but Zach Lavine isn’t young, he’s 28 and he has a 36% win percentage.

I’ve been searching players who are considered “really good but not great” players like Bradley Beal, Karl Anthony Towns, SGA(I know he’s young and has been in bad teams but he even had a better win percentage) and even they have higher win percentages than Zach.

Zach’s is unbelievably low, he just doesn’t play winning basketball.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/zach-lavine-career-win-loss-record

[–] Toronto_Once_July2@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Lavine doesn’t impact winning

[–] lilb1190@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Lavine wouldn't want to stay there anyway. He wants a bit market.

[–] ReapYerSoul@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I feel like the Magic need something, definitely not Lavine though. If I'm Chicago, I take whatever the fuck I can get.

[–] teh_drewski@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

We need the same thing everyone does really - three and D to stretch the floor. Ball dominant guards need not apply even if they're good shooters because Franz and Paolo got that taken care of

[–] d12fsu@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago
[–] GiveMeShadePls@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

if they can get him for scraps sure otherwise no

[–] tarunpopo@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Zach lavine is a scorer those are easy to buy. For the price of him since he can't do much else on the court that well it's not worth it no team needs him. I struggle to see a fit for him

[–] Raptorsthrowaway1@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

They should roll with their guys this year. Maybe a move for a good value role player at the deadline

But Orlando dont need to be making a splash / roll of the dice on Lavines supermax

[–] d12fsu@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

We have an All Defensive player in Suggs starting at SG. I would only trade for Lavine if it was for guys at the end of our bench and draft picks. Maybe like Jett, Chuma, and a couple of firsts. We’re also playing a lot better without Fultz so throw him in for the money to work. We are rolling right now and a big part of our success is team chemistry. Adding a new face who’s known to be ball dominant is a big risk.

[–] Frankiedrunkie@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Magic is a very “team ball” focused team. I don’t know if Lavine fits very well with this group.

[–] trevortins@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago