“But we have to determine if he [Will McDonald] was justified in doing what he did"
Really. Are we relieving shooters of the burden of making sure of what they're shooting at or do we just give people a pass?
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“But we have to determine if he [Will McDonald] was justified in doing what he did"
The kid was coming right at him! /s
How could he be justified in doing what he did (which is shooting his child), he's not a police officer. Usually only rhey get away with stuff like this.
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Given family holidays can be very stressful and violent in bad families, I have to wonder if that poor kid said something dad didn't like, or cried, or whined, or otherwise was a completely normal kid and the dad lost his shit and shot him for it. Then came up with "I thought I saw a thief!" to get away with it.
Like, everyone in this thread is assuming the dad actually heard a thief. But I think that should be questioned, too. It's so common for bad families to slap kids around during thanksgiving. My uncle once lost his shit over something stupid and threw his half-paralyzed mom (she'd had a stroke not too long before) out of her chair onto the floor.
There just aren't enough details to say right now. What you're saying is possible definitely but it's impossible to be sure if anything other than a child was killed. Anger is the worst human emotion in my opinion. Seneca calls it a form of temporary madness.
Agreed. I have an anger problem and I hate it. I can remain calm if I'm prepared for it, but if something takes me off gaurd (or I reach peek frustration) I react before I have time to think.
It's super annoying, often embarrassing, and the worst of me. It's like things start happening and my hire-order thinking is just straight-up offline until I've said something horrible, stormed off, or thrown something like a toddler. It's like I have to struggle to catch up to what my body is doing
The only blessing is that I'm physically weak as shit, (and I married a strong man who is chill/non-reactive)
I wish I could rewire my instinct to fight out of me, but meditation makes me fall asleep
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Even if it was a thief ending a life is not a proportional response.
Every gun owner thinks they're a responsible gun owner.
"The boy’s 47-year-old father, Will McDonald, faces a charge of criminal homicide and possession of a firearm by a prohibited person, according to police."
Doesn't look like he's even supposed to be a gun owner.
It doesn't matter, the pro-gun community will hook them up with either private sales that don't require a background check or an infinite supply of poorly secured firearms.
After all, executing your family shouldn't just be for legal gun owners.
Too bad it's only for something as arbitrary as a criminal record, and not for something certain like the inherent frailty and instability of all humankind.
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He said investigators were still working to “figure out” if McDonald may have mistaken his own son for a car thief. Douglas County Attorney Don Kleine said formal charges could be filed as soon as Sunday.
“It’s obviously very tragic,” Kleine said. “But we have to determine if he [Will McDonald] was justified in doing what he did. . . . At this point in time, it doesn’t appear that he was justified in firing.”
Is this real? Did I just eat the onion?
That's important to figure out because it impacts the kind of charges they are going to press. There are different degrees of murder.
If the guy planned on killing his son, that's first degree murder. If he mistook the kid for a car thief that's second degree murder or depending on the exact circumstances maybe just manslaughter. And even with manslaughter the exact circumstances change it between voluntary and involuntary.
So let's not get our pitchforks out for the police doing their work right (for once).
So why does a potential car thief even be shot. Maybe let the police and later a judge handle thieves and not take justice into your own hands.
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Sounds like a traditional american holiday to me.
You should NEVER use a firearm on ANYTHING you cannot identify. If you can't identify it then you shouldn't be willing to destroy it, especially when no threat exists yet.
This man is a fucking coward and a danger to all around him. Put him in fucking prison and toss the key.
Positive identification on your target and what's behind your target.
Every time.
But I don't trust the general public to positively identify a fucking stop sign, let alone a target of a gun.
Agreed. Would love to see stricter control over who is able to drive.
And would also love to see gun ownership in the USA at least start to catch up slightly to vehicle use regulations when it comes to things like licensing and registration.
And insurance.
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Holy fuck. This is peak 'Merica.
Don't call out or anything, Hoss. Just blindly fire at noises and shit.
Why didn't the kid had his own gun for self-protect?
We need to make and sell more guns.
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possession of a firearm by a prohibited person
So he wasn't allowed to own a firearm?
Firing at a thief sounds weird. You have a party, a bunch of people with you. You can scare them off.
“A burglar! Hold on, let me get my gun.” “Bill, we can all just yell ‘get the fuck out’ at the same time, they’ll probably shit their pants and run.”
Have you ever stolen something? I doubt so (:
A bunch of dudes do make you very uncomfy. Not only they see and remember you, they can run and block you from leaving the scene. They can beat you up. They can hold you before cops would show.
Rule one of stealing is leaving as soon as you are noticed, stakes become too high. Even the dumbest of street theives won't fuck around if you scream aloud about their attempt and have some people to back you up.
It's the price of freedom...
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