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[–] es_eskaliert@feddit.org 13 points 1 month ago
[–] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

It’s as easy as pie too; they show up right there on the boot menu:

I really don't understand why people have this little awareness of usability. Show the freaking date normally! At least add hyphens.

We tried Dolphin and Konsole as Flatpaks for a while, but the user experience was just terrible.

Yeah I'm fairly sympathetic to Flatpak. It's way closer to how software should be installed by users. But I have yet to actually use it successfully. Is it really ready?

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I really don’t understand why people have this little awareness of usability.

It's an alpha release.

Is it really ready?

It's an alpha release.

[–] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It’s an alpha release.

You really think they're going to revisit this? That's not really how software development works.

It’s an alpha release.

I was talking about Flatpak.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You really think they’re going to revisit this?

I reserve my judgement until a final release is made.

That’s not really how software development works.

How does it work, then? Have you filed a bug report?

[–] FizzyOrange@programming.dev -4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

How does it work, then?

I'm assuming that's a genuine question... Normally when people develop a feature they do it once and then it's "done" and any changes to that feature have to go through the whole feature request -> it's low priority -> wait 10 years cycle before they actually happen.

Essentially, you have to do it right first time or it might never be fixed.

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Just to note, I disagree entirely. Even in commercial development, it's the core premise of agile development to ship features early and continuously integrate feedback. Granted, lots of companies claim to do agile without actually doing it, but it's at least not a law of nature what you're describing.

But with this not being commercial development either way, I really don't feel like you can make any predictions. If the volunteer that implemented this sees your bug report, they could decide to drop everything else and fix that, because they get to pick their own priorities. They might have the solution in their head right away and it doesn't take them long at all to implement. Or someone new to the project might decide this sounds like a good issue to get started with.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Normally when people develop a feature they do it once and then it’s “done”

The feature (boot manager) was not developed by KDE. They rely in systemd components which are all in active development.

So did you file a bug report or are you just being negative in a forum the developers will probably never read?

[–] chloroken@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

Oh my god, be more insufferable.

It's an alpha release and you're condemning them to death because of a naming convention.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

YYYYMMDDHHmm is probably one of the most normal date-time formats, only slightly behind current ISO 8601. But adding hyphens for the extended format would definitely make it more readable.

[–] hikaru755@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

YYYYMMDDHHmm is probably one of the most normal date-time formats

No, it absolutely isn't outside the tech sphere

[–] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 1 points 1 month ago

Not for normal people.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's really not unless you're a techie who's used to naming files in away that promotes better sorting.

The date format this uses should match with the one you have set in your system, which for most people will be DD/MM/YYYY or MM/DD/YYYY in the US. Because that's what the user is used to seeing.

If you think most people are used to seeing YYMMDDhhmmss then you are in a very tiny and very incorrect bubble lol

[–] Matty_r@programming.dev 2 points 1 month ago

Booting to a black screen with white text, while functional, really detracts from the more professional experiences that can be had elsewhere. I know the theming support is severely lacking in systemd-boot though (which I believe this is)

[–] illusionist@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I don't interact with either of following systems KDE Linux, atomic fedora and opensuse (aeon). What is the difference between them? How can I choose between them?

I used a fedora distrobox for a long time. I couldn't figure out how to upgrade many times. Now, I use aeon with a rolling opensuse distrobox. And I don't have to think about upgrading again. I am not too sure why I didn't think of that before (probably because I didn't care too much).

Note that Homebrew packages are not segregated, so they can override system libraries and present problems. This should be considered an experts’ tool.

To me as an end user it translates to: don't touch brew. what about nix home manager? Is nix as dangerous as brew?

There’s no package manager.

I'm confused. It's based on arch but not really? Is it arch based or not? Does it use any arch package manager? The post raises a number of new questions

[–] kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm confused. It's based on arch but not really? Is it arch based or not? Does it use any arch package manager? The post raises a number of new questions

The answers to that seem pretty obvious to me: yes, it is based on arch. No, it does not come with a package manager. Presumably, they use Arch packaging tools and package definitions behind the scenes in some way, but the end result is a premade immutable system image.

[–] khleedril@cyberplace.social 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

@kuberoot

OFF TOPIC, but, how do you do the stand-out quotes like that?

[–] kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Like this:

> Quote
>
> Second paragraph of quote

Quote

Second paragraph of quote

Note that it's standard markdown syntax, and also that the contents of the quote are also markdown and should support standard formatting (including nesting quotes inside them)

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's been standard since the early days of email and Usenet.

[–] kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not entirely sure what you're referring to, but if you mean that it's not only markdown, absolutely - what's immediately relevant here is that it is markdown we're using here, which can be used to look up formatting and is useful to know where else this syntax will work.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Just that that quoting convention has been used forever.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

We all saw this coming