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Turning Point USA spokesman Andrew Kolvet on Saturday said Charlie Kirk's surgeon called it an "absolute miracle" that the bullet that killed him didn’t exit his body because dozens of people were standing behind him when he was shot.

"I want to address some of the discussion about the lack of an exit wound with Charlie. I’m usually not interested in delving into most of this kind of online chatter, and I apologize this is somewhat graphic, but in this case, the fact that there wasn’t an exit wound is probably another miracle, and I want people to know," Kolvet, the executive producer of "The Charlie Kirk Show," wrote in a lengthy post on X.

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[–] QuantumTickle@lemmy.zip 83 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Republicans and Democrats agree: Charlie's body is fantastic at stopping bullets.

Is this a right wing phenomenon?? More studies are required!

[–] mrcleanup@lemmy.world 62 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Toilet paper USA confirms that God wanted Charlie Kirk dead so he could use the event to show of his powers a little.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 21 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Also confirms that Trump was not miraculous, since his ear didn't catch the bullet that instead went on to nail the guy sitting behind him.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Since that wound healed perfectly in about 4 days, we know it was just strawberry jam and a bandaid. The ear didn't come close.

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[–] eyelevel@lemmy.world 52 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It's so fucking weird the way they are idolizing him and his death.

Flags at half-staff, people losing their jobs, AI videos of Kirk with Jesus, bills proposing bronze statues of him, and now "his neck miraculously stopped the bullet and saved innocent bystanders"?

Like I know they don't really believe any of it, but it's still so weird. It's getting to be like North Korea levels of kooky.

[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is their Blutfahne, their Blood Flag. It's mythmaking - you just have to get people outraged enough and they'll believe pretty much anything they're presented with. I truly believe they had all this in the tank for when Trump keeled over (actually I think they were drawing this up before he nearly bought it in Butler PA), but martyrdom is a POWERFUL force, especially in a critical mass of people who are primed for martyr culture in the way the largely-white-supremacist-flavored American Evangelical communities are. The GOP is pissed that nobody successfully took a shot at Reagan, either Bush, or Trump I, so now they're latching on in an attempt to get SOME gas on the fire before it burns out.

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[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 45 points 1 week ago (10 children)

To be fair, killing Kirk probably did save some lives

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 1 week ago (10 children)

This is literally physically impossible, by the way, to make comport with the current official story.

There is 0 chance a 30.06 round fired from 150 yards would stop 'just under the skin'.

A 30.06 at 500 yards can blow apart the bones of an elk or moose.

Literally 0 chance that what is being described is physically possible.

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Have you seen the ballistics gel videos on YouTube? The entire human head explodes

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Yes I've seen it, but that is from a shot hitting roughly dead between the eyes.

Yes, that is what a 30.06 would do had it entered there... but what we are being told is that it entered around where the neck meets the shoulders, on Kirk's left side of his neck.

When bullets of sufficient energy hit a human head, the head tends to basically crack like an egg.

The neck / clavicle region would not... explode to quite that same degree, but the wound should be larger for a 30.06, roughly at least the size of a soft ball should be completely blown out of his neck area.

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[–] Lightor@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)

With that logic, God could have stopped it a few inches sooner, but chose not to.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Could have deflected it by few inches and saved him but apparently the guy behind was more worthy of a miracle.

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 34 points 1 week ago

Uh. No one was standing behind him.

And where was this miracle when all those people were killed around Trump? Did they get medals and statues?

[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Since these kinds of people love to shoehorn divine intention into everything, what does that specific case mean?

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 68 points 1 week ago

That Kirk was the only person there that God thought needed to die?

[–] Bonus@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

Because he was so pro gun violence, it's great this bullet is designed to mushroom, carom off the skeleton, and do a little Fantastic Voyage through his interior systems, eviscerating everything in its wake.

[–] Triumph@fedia.io 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A .30-06 round at 150 yards didn't exit his body. Right.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Haven't watched this frame-by-frame take on the ballistics, but I would think a 30.06 would blow half his neck off. There is a frame I looked for while skimming, and oh yeah, his neck expands.

First time I shot a 30.06 my buddy and I were drilling holes in 3/8", high quality steel. Looked like we used a drill press, wasn't even jagged on the exit side.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Correct, the scenario we are being presented with, with this latest detail, is laughably impossible, if one has any experience with shooting this caliber.

Not implausible.

Impossible.

A straight on shot from a 30.06 at 150 yards, yes, would have blown off a chunk of his neck at least the size of orange, a soft ball.

It is completely impossible that a 30.06 would have just stopped barely under the skin, stopped by a collar bone or vertebrae.

A 30.06 at 150 yards makes entire cinder blocks explode.

No human bone can withstand this intact, none, full stop, this is not a question, a 30.06 at 150 yards has approximately 2200 FT/LBs of kinetic energy, more than double that of 5.56 at the same range, any human bone a 30.06 hits from 150 yards away would shatter and explode within the body, the bone fragments tearing through the body, probably also erupting out of the skin.

And before anyone comments this: No, Kirk was not wearing body armor, you would have been able to see plate armor on his chest leaving tell tale imprinting signs with that light shirt he was wearing, and you can just literally see his man nipples through the shirt.

Anything less than level 4 plate would have been blown directly through by a 30.06, it would not result in a ricochet into his neck as I keep seeing people say.

(And realistically, level 4 plate might not even hold up to a 30.06 at that range.)

Most of right wing gun tube is currently extremely pissed off over this 'news', as ... they tend to shoot targets on video for a living.

And anyone can go right now and watch them show you how impossible this described scenario is.

This is absolute horseshit, it is an obvious lie.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My immediate assumption was that it was 5.56 or 2.23. No analyzing it in the moment I saw the video, just seemed reasonable at the time. Didn't notice there was no obvious exit wound.

If you showed me that video for the first time and said, "The round was a 30.06.", I'd laugh in your face.

The facts the FBI has presented are laughable on many points. If this guy has a solid lawyer, I can see him sowing a shitload of doubt in the minds of the jurors. As it stands, with what I know in this moment, I'd let him walk. This evidence is far too smelly to be beyond reasonable doubt.

Anyway, I'm off to finally watch that video.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

My initial guess was .270 or .243, out of a common bolt action hunting rifle.

Now, I have no fucking clue what has actually happened, all I know is the narrative the government and admin connected right wingers are going with is impossible.

Steve Bannon, Candace Owens, and Alex Jones are all calling bullshit on this as well.

Not that I trust them as reliable sources, but large parts of the right are not buying this either.

If you are going to watch the video, up close, and you have PTSD or cannot handle gore well... fucking be ready.

I had a legit PTSD panic attack watching the fucking geyser of blood leave from his neck.

Its fucking bad, if you've ever seen anything like that in real life.

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Also, another whole fucking weird oddity is that Robinson's family has not actually gotten him a lawyer.

Robinson is still, right now, trying to get a public attorney assigned to him.

Yeah, thats right, he does not even have any legal counsel at the moment.

[–] Pizza_Rat@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Wonder if the Epstein files are thick enough to stop a bullet

[–] DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

As a commemoration release the files and copy them to Mythbusters this.

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[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I mean if it deformed enough to curve into bone I'm pretty sure we don't call it a miracle we call it fluid dynamics.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (13 children)

Either it didn't, and this is a lie, or the bullet that hit Kirk was not a 30.06 from ~150 yards.

Somebody is lying here.

Yes, lower caliber rounds can and do actually do what is being described.

Not a 30.06. A 30.06 will blow apart a cinder block at that range, easily.

A 30.06 at 150 yards has about 2200 FT/LBs of kinetic energy.

A .22lr pistol round is much more likely to do what is being described here... even from less than 50 yards, you're talking more like 100 FT/LBs of KE.

A 9mm at less than 50 yards? Around 250 FT/LBs.

5.56mm? At 150 yards? ~950 FT/LBs.

Again, a 30.06 at 150 yards is ~2200 FT/LBs.

The actual physics of fluid dynamics and composite materials do not work with the scenario we are being told happened.

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You know. I hadn't thought about that. I've seen that round hit a deer, and my thinking before was that it instantly killed the deer sort of like Kirk.

But that hole was much bigger and it was knocked clear off its feet. Like it got hit by a car.

Kirk was still sitting upright and the would was far too small.

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[–] fort_burp@feddit.nl 15 points 1 week ago

I knew it. I knew Charlie's Mom was special.

[–] Naich@lemmings.world 14 points 1 week ago

I suppose it's because you need to have a confirmed miracle in order to have him made a saint.

[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They 100% are going to use this to try and make him a Saint.

[–] SippyCup@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He was 🤏 this close to becoming a Catholic.

But he wasn't. So he's unlikely to be granted sainthood.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Won't stop these mouth breathers from trying.

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What surgeon? He was declared at the scene. Are they talking about the coroner?

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

He was not declared dead at the scene, Trump was actually the person who broke the news that Kirk was dead, about an hour after the shooting, maybe 45 to 30 minutes after Kirk arrived at the hospital... he was reported as in critical condition, but likely already dead...

...but uh yeah, yeah it would be nice to know who this surgeon was, or, you know, maybe get us a fucking autopsy report?

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I thought it was Netanyahu? Or did they post at roughly the same time?

[–] thallamabond@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Exactly the same time, the same minute

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[–] chosensilence@pawb.social 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

this has literally never happened in the history of sniper shootings so.. add Kirk to the long list of all of them, i guess. what a miracle.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 5 points 1 week ago

These "journalists" played too much Sniper Elite where you can curve a single bullet to kill 15 nazis standing in a circle.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The invisible man standing behind him was saved.

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 4 points 1 week ago

God sure does move in mysterious ways.

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Bullets do weird things when they go into flesh and bone. Thanks for the insight, Fox!

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

Not this, this is completely fucking impossible.

A pistol round could do what is being described here, that is believable.

Not a 30.06, that is completely impossible.

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