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Veritasium video about Monsanto.

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[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 1 points 3 minutes ago

It's another of those things future generations and/or aliens will be baffled by:

  • "Wait, so not only did they say people can own land, but also a copyright to the stuff that grows on it? And it wasn't even owned by the people using it but by some distant entity called 'corporation'? How did they survive?"
  • "Not very well, for a time. Thankfully that's all behind us now, but there was a price to be paid."
  • Cue a fleet of spaceships leaving a planet in smoldering ruin.
[–] CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago

The farmers caught replanting seeds time and time again have been shown to intentionally skirt the rules.

[–] Thorry@feddit.org 12 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

The thing that annoys me about this, is the BS Monsanto is pulling puts GMO in a bad light. Humans have been genetically manipulating crops and animals for thousands of years. But in the past it was a messy, slow and imprecise process. These days we have the tools to quickly and precisely adjust what we need to adjust. This is and has been critical for supporting the number of people alive today. Faster growing crops, with better yields, more resistance to diseases and climate change. GMO is absolutely a tool that we need and should continue to use.

But these days so many people believe that when a crop or animal has been genetically modified, it's somehow less healthy to eat. There has been a real wave of people who listen to social media about what is healthy and what is not. Blaming things that are perfectly fine, neutral or even good for you, on a precieved poor health. In reality we (especially in rich countries) are healthier than ever. These people look to things like 'organic' or weird diets such as Paleolithic (but instead of berries and nuts they eat like a cows worth of meat each day) to improve their lives. Companies that used to use chemicals created by mixing some precursors in a clean reactor, are switching over to organic sources. This might sound like a good thing, but I've seen them genetically modify insect that already create the chemical they need in their shells to create lots of that chemical. The insects get bred, boiled and filtered and the chemical is extracted. This leads to a less pure product, with more contaminants, a larger cost, a bigger impact on the environment and more bio-industry. And it's often a chemical that's very common and has been in use for over 50 years with zero impact on health.

Well you might say, let people do their own thing, it's a free country right? Yes, but also no. People having weird diets or listening to Facebook to put olive oil on a dry patch of skin is fine. But it's a slippery slope. These people are losing their faith in science and truth, but instead rely on whatever people say on social media. A place where more and more scammers are active, saying whatever just to get clicks, get sponsors or actively scam people out of their money. This slope then extends into something like homeopathic medicine and nature healing. Which has convinced people in the past that needed real medicine to instead opt for the "natural" option. People have died because of this.

In the past I was still in the camp of let the people chose, who am I to say what is the truth for other people? I don't have all the answers, if they want to do something stupid, that's on them. I also do stupid stuff all the time, just in other ways, should I be disallowed from living my life as I want to? But then the pandemic happened and the people listening to social media instead of science and government started to shout we shouldn't be in lock down, we shouldn't use masks, we shouldn't vaccinate. So my view changed, it's so easy for people to trust what's being said on social media. Foreign actors abuse social media to influence the people, destabilize countries and impact elections. Scammers convince people of nonsense, just to get a few bucks. I'm not sure what the solution is, but I have started to believe we actively need a solution.

Seeing a large company like Monsanto abuse GMO in the ways they do pisses me off. We do not need to feed the fire against using tools like this. We desperately need those tools if we want to continue to exist in the numbers we are today. They should be made an example of and their abuse should be stopped.

[–] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 1 points 2 minutes ago

I'm not sure what my skepticism is based on exactly, but I know exactly who fueled it. Companies like Monsanto would happily poison everyone of us if it meant a short term profit.

No, wait. They DO happily poison us. Fuck them.

[–] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 10 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 10 points 5 hours ago

I have seen plants sold in shops with warnings that you can't propagate them. Dunno why because it was so easy to do.

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 7 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

But Bill Nye said Monsanto was the best so ????????

[–] rafoix@lemmy.zip 36 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

There’s nothing wrong with genetically modifying foods. The problem is the exploitative legal contracts that they come with.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 15 points 5 hours ago

We need FOSS seeds rather than proprietary ones.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 7 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

I don't think that it's unreasonable to expect to recoup the millions you spent on R&D for developing a new crop.

Yes, the length of ownership should be much shorter, but until the world governments collapse, technological advancements cost money and resources.

If you remove the ability to recoup R&D costs before addressing the need for private r&d at all, you're going to stifle innovation.

This isn't an endorsement for the current system, but these processes will continue to exist until the current system is replaced.

[–] RangerAndTheCat@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Of r&d came from any sort of university program or study at the facilities by any graduate or undergrads we already paid for the r&d more than likely it’s like when the government sold means and military vehicles vans gear to local cops we already paid once for it the first time and we are getting charged again

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 1 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

You can argue that until you're blue in the face and it won't mean shit.

While the system of government these drugs/crops are developed under is capitalist, we're stuck with the same shit.

This is an instance of "don't hate the player, hate the game."

[–] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago

It's totally reasonable to hate the players. The game can't continue without players. Legality is NOT morality.

[–] HetareKing@piefed.social 4 points 4 hours ago

I will hate the game and the player, thank you very much. Even under this system, other choices could have been made that are neither illegal or financially nonviable, so Monsanto is very much responsible for the choices they did make. They're not victims of the systems, they're gleefully pursuing everything the system lets them get away with.

Of course, if you want things to change, it is indeed changes to law and government incentives that need to be pursued. But in order for that to happen, you need enough people to get upset about the current state of things, and for that you need concrete examples. And it doesn't get more concrete than this.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 0 points 5 hours ago

Until the game changes to socialism, this is the reality of drug development.

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 5 points 7 hours ago

Oh I’m aware of how Monsanto works.

[–] november@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I've been looking into this a little more and apparently Carey Gillam is buddy-buddy with RFK Jr. So I'm not sure how much I trust her.

Still, I had no idea Monsanto was responsible for Agent Orange. Learning that was enough to make watching this video worth it. Still, as with any other topic, you'll want to look for multiple resources.

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 14 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

The whole Monsanto bullshit is something I’ve been looking into for a long time my man. They are an evil company.

[–] november@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 points 7 hours ago

No disagreements here.