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Tired of this abusive business model that big companies use on games.

  • I see a game on Steam with some decent price
  • I click on it
  • Dozens of DLCs, "Gold", "Deluxe" "Enhanced" version to enjoy the full game
  • Then you decide to pay for this shit anyway
  • But then the game is behind a launcher, that needs online connection and account even if it's full single-player
  • The game sometimes are just a port from an old console with almost full price, a game that you've paid for before
  • The game needs a hell amount of updates do become playable
  • And so much more...

Steam did an excellent job keeping me away from piracy, they provide too much good feature, discounts and etc... But not even Steam can make miracles against those abusive practices.

I must say RDR1 port was the last drop to me, It's game I played back on PS3 on my teenager time, I wanted to have some good memories and play it again, guess what, a full AAA price on a port, it's not even a remaster.

I've been avoiding EA and Ubisoft games for years, but still buying from big companies on Steam. Now I just give up, there's no more hope for AAA games, only mercenary companies are left: EA, Ubisoft, Rockstar, Activision, 2K, Bungie etc...

  • EA: Games with a hell amount of DLCs, the same FIFA every single year at full price, launcher required, they don't even try to hide anymore
  • Ubisoft: Same thing as EA, lots of DLCs, missed some game content from an old Prince of Persia because they shut an old launcher integrated to the game.
  • Rockstar: Launchers everywhere, charging a full price for the same game multiple times (GTA V).
  • Activision: You pay a full price and it still comes with a hell amount of micro-transactions, killed COD.
  • 2K: Out of nowhere decided to add a launcher to every old game they had (Bioshock and others I think) saying it was "QoL" update, now they decided to remove it, too late. The new Borderlands 4 terribly optimized, here we go with some dozens of updates again.
  • Bungie: The live service model, removed a lot of old paid contents from Destiny, the game will eventually die.

I'll still pay for small companies games, because I can, but those big ones, honestly, I don't give a shit anymore, they could be erased from existence together with all their games, I really don't care. Some smaller companies I've had a good experience and I think it's worth paying for: Ghost Ship Games, No More Robots, Hello Games, Techland, Frictional Games, Annapurna Interactive.

Some companies are in a limbo to me, I'm not entirely sure about it: Capcom, Bethesda, Warner, Square Enix.

So, that's it, I just downloaded Spider Man Remastered and RDR from FitGirl, it worked seamless, I didn't have a single issue. I could even add as non-Steam game and use Steam input (thanks Steam), I'll probably use some script to move to savegames data to the cloud, and let the packed games on an external HDD (finally, I'll own my games).

Another thing that's hard to ditch to me is achievement tracker, I know we have AchievementWatcher but it doesn't work too well on pirated games. It's something I'll need to get used, not a big deal tbh.

I'll probably use the money I'd spend on AAA games to explore some indie games. And AAA games are now always pirate.

Obs.: The companies I've mentioned here are from my own experience, this isn't meant to be an Wikipedia of good/bad companies, I know there are more decent and bad companies out there.

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[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Rockstar: Abandoning and cancelling GTA V (single player) expansions and purely focused on milking online for pay2win. I'm not hyped for 6.

EDIT: The worst part - declaring war against modding community because it affected their online sales (since people enjoyed playing modded singleplayer). It backfired, badly, but they still went for it.

[–] nuko147@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I am just ignoring them. Not playing their games even pirated.

Played the demo of Prince of Persia last year, totally liked it, price was good, saw the Ubisoft Logo (CEO tells that you don't get to own your games, AAA games priced 70-130 €, anti consumer practices), never bought that game never played it.

Nintendo also took a red card this year from me, not another penny from my wallet.

Bonus i put in my Steam ignore list all the games that come out with price >60 €, so i wont make a mistake and buy them even on a huge sale.

I buy indie games and only AAA games full priced like BG3, Expedition 33, Elden Ring, etc.. , games that they worth it and they don't bloat you with stupid stuff. And also their companies respect the players.

[–] TheOakTree@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago

BG3, E33, ER, all amazing games that don't add live service junk, don't require online connections, and respect the art of video games. They are all worth their price and then some, to me.

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 106 points 4 days ago (3 children)

If something isn't respecting your values, I'm of the opinion that you make a stronger statement by not even pirating those games. If you're spending time playing them, you're also not spending time and money playing some game that was meticulously made to respect your values. You're fine playing indie games, but you'd play more of them if you gave up playing these AAA games that you decided to pirate. You talk to your friends and on forums about the games you play, which will at some point convince someone else to buy and play them, too. If you want them to hurt, so that they change, don't even give them the time of day.

[–] B0NK3RS@lemmy.world 30 points 4 days ago

This is the best way. Give your time and money to something you believe in instead of wasting a moment on something you don't.

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[–] Fyrnyx@kbin.melroy.org 58 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Okay, okay.

I am going to have to whip out this criticism for anybody that has made these kind of rants.

STOP. FOCUSING. ON. AAA. GAMES!

I'm not kidding, that's your problem and that's anyone else's problem who get sick of gaming as a whole. You keep kicking that can down the street for AAA game development to pander to you, but end up disappointed over and over and over. But you still kept your hand out, you still bought their games at Day 1, you still bought their DLC, you still waited for all and any patchwork. You were still there!

Meanwhile I and several dozen others by now, have been in the pirating game for years before you and anyone else had the guts to finally join in after having your face slapped hundreds of times by this point.

And people have been also telling you for years as to what the better alternatives that was out there were, but nooope! Still stuck to AAA development.

Took you long enough.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

There’s a scene like this in one of the Telltale Sam and Max games that really deserves a better reenactment. Went something like this:

Sam: “So, Bosco, how much do you want for this…’Deadly virus’ that’s really just a tissue you sneezed into?”
Bosco: “A hundred trillion dollars.”
Max: “WHAT? That’s insane!!”
Sam: “How crazy can you get to think we’re going to pay something like that?”
Bosco: “All I know is, I keep finding the dumbest junk around my store, and think up the most ridiculous price I can imagine for them! And you two keep paying it! So who’s crazy now, fool?”

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 days ago

I think you can generalize it even further to don't reward bad behavior. That should include purchasing goods and services from organizations that try to exploit people or commoditize art.

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[–] Brylant@discuss.online 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Why bother with ethics or morality? I've been pirating what I can half of my life now, just because I'm a poor and stingy bastard. Let people with finished mortgages and nice cars pay those companies.

[–] CodenameDarlen@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

Yes, that's true, poor people just want to have some fun, but society try to make it wrong, you need to follow all the guidelines of morality. But nobody talk about rich people destroying the world, spending on luxuries, exploring workers, and doing this kind of crap with the gaming industry.

[–] ISolox@lemmy.world 43 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I don't try to criticize people for pirating games. They're expensive and a lot are greedy.

What I do tell people though is support good games.

If you end up playing a pirated game you really enjoy, you should try to support it if you can, even if it's from one of the bigger publishers. It's basically our only way to truly tell a publisher that we like something and to keep making it.

Not counting un reasonably priced re-releases though. I totally get that (looking at you Nintendo for Galaxy 1+2)

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I tried CP2077 (post fixes) and No Man's Sky pirated. Within 3 days I bought the retail versions because I loved them. Played a LOT of shitty pirated games since, usually no more than 2-3 hours. Steam wouldn't refund me for that amount of time, so I figured this was fair.

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[–] kwarg@mander.xyz 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I don't know if its the age or perhaps I unconciously became sick of the practices OP describes, but the games I genuinelly enjoy playing the most nowadays are mainly AA or Indie. And ofc, I don't mind paying full price for them.

A non-exhaustive list of those I loved:

  • Outer Wilds (became my favourite game of all times)
  • Inside/Limbo
  • Little Nightmares
  • Sifu
  • The standley parable
  • Still awakes the deep
  • Gris/Neva
  • Firewatch
  • Journey/Abzu/The Pathless/Sea of Sword
  • Rainworld
  • No man's sky (a special case, I know)
  • Cocoon
  • Unravel
  • Stray
  • Below
  • Far
  • Pacific Drive
  • The invincible
[–] 18107@aussie.zone 3 points 2 days ago

I love Factorio for how few bugs are in it, and for how much the devs care. They even hired modders, and those modders kept making mods while making the game.

I've played a few games in your list and loved every one of them. I should probably try the rest.

I just don't buy games that have features I don't like. I don't pirate them, I just don't play them.

Most of my money goes to indies because they don't pull this BS. I'll play the occasional AAA game if it's worth it, but not many.

[–] thelittleblackbird@lemmy.world 32 points 4 days ago (7 children)

I am not going to be the one to try to stop you but you need to keep in mind that games/sw piracy comes with great risks.

You need to execute anti cheat / drm / copyrighted stuff and this is always a big door open to malware.

Be cautious out there, it is not a pleasant walk

[–] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 50 points 4 days ago

At this point I trust Fitgirl repacks more than some official publishers.

[–] FuyuhikoDate@feddit.org 11 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Thats why you usually use a VM / dedicated computer to download / check pirated software. Its annoying... But less annoying than the shit that ubisoft / EA does...

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[–] HarkMahlberg@kbin.earth 27 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Since you mentioned publishers that haven't been greedy, I'll throw a few more out there that I think are worthy of support. They don't need launchers, that don't need accounts, they don't have predatory subscriptions. They just make great games.

  • Supergiant Games: Transistor, Hades, Hades II
  • Larian Studios: Divinity Original Sin, DOS II, Baldur's Gate 3
  • Playstack: Balatro

Otherwise, I'm totally with you. The account-walling of the Internet as a whole has pissed me off royally and I see no reason to give those bastards what they want.

Supergiant Games took a payout to make Hades a times exclusive for EGS. They still have some anti-consumer practices, even if you personally don't think it's as bad.

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[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 20 points 4 days ago (1 children)

There's so much competition in gaming right now, and good AAA games are so few and far between, that I don't see a need for piracy. For every $90 piece of garbage there are ten $20 diamonds (don't forget Devolver in your list of good small companies). I don't ever buy dlc/deluxe/etc editions unless the company/game has earned it (almost never).

I will admit, Rockstar creates some high quality experiences, but their monetization practices are down there with the worst of them.

I can't justify not pirating, I just think for me the motivation isn't strong enough right now. Too many affordable good games to choose from.

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[–] Konraddo@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Just curious. Is piracy your strategy to kill the big companies, since you really want to consume their products but don't want to pay, because of your stated reasons?

For the sake of discussion, is it not possible for you to not buy products from big companies but also not consume their products?

Using myself as an example, I hate EA so much I don't install any of their products on my machine. Or I hate Adobe so I don't use it at home (the workplace is uncontrollable). I don't pirate their products as there are alternatives, and I cannot imagine how I may enjoy them since I cannot forget who made them.

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[–] FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Unpopular take: I’m just gonna quit gaming for a while. If I really need to piss away some time I got a bunch of wad files or newgrounds. F it.

[–] morphballganon@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Don't write off small devs just because huge corpos are assholes

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 7 points 3 days ago

Same story as Netflix, it used to be great value but look at it now...

[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

This was me 20 years ago.

Congrats on finally seeing the light, but what took you so long?

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Sometimes day to day life sucks, we need to escape into games we like and look past all the privacy and annoying bullshit. But when nearly all games are this way, easy to step back and go "wait a minute..."

When (not if) enshittification takes over, I'll pirate their shit.

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[–] Whitebrow@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Steam is fine, for the most part, but steam is also DRM. Personally I opt to buy games on GoG, because whatever releases there, you can download the installer and play offline, anywhere, anytime, and due to the platform requirements it strips a lot of the extra nonsense of requiring accounts and launchers and such.

The one downside is some publishers/developers don’t have the latest version on there or release on there later as definitive builds, but it’s better than having to deal with all that nonsense to begin with.

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[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I am not going to discuss the ethics of piracy because I genuinely don't give a fuck (also the vast majority of people don't know the difference between ethics and morality and insist whatever they do is Good so it is even less productive than slamming my hand in a cabinet).

But if your goal is to actually not support those companies? Don't play the games. Because "Wow, Spider-Man is fucking awesome" is still going to encourage others to buy it. Even if you say "Wow, I am so glad I pirated it because Spider-Man is fucking awesome" is going to encourage people who don't know how/don't care to pirate things to buy it (and people are going to think you are an obnoxious edgelord).

And yeah, I'll parrot others: If you think games are in a bad place (from a monetization and content perspective... not from a funding and censorship one) then that just tells me that you don't actually care enough to follow indie devs.

[–] dogs0n@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 days ago

100% agree, if you don't want to support something, then do not engage with it at all. Simple as that.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

I went back to sailing the high seas for games when The Sims 3 from Steam wouldn't run on Linux no matter what I did, whilst a pirate version runs just fine.

Pirating in Linux is actually much more complicated than running the game from Steam or from other stores via something like Lutris, because for official versions of a game there are usually scripts doing all the necessary Wine/Proton configuration, but not for the pirate versions of a game, so if it fails to run directly you have to enable logging, dig through the logs yourself and figure out which libraries need to be configured with Winetricks, which is how gaming in Linux used to work 5 years ago (and why very few people did it).

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[–] DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz 7 points 3 days ago

I pirated the RDR remaster and felt very entitled to because I bought it way back on xbox360 with the Undead Nightmare mode, but that whole DLC is broken even though they still sold it to me on the Xbox store. So I pirated to new remaster and when I went to play Undead Nightmare, it's still broken lol

[–] MithranArkanere@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

There are only 3 developers I will preorder from whenever I find the game they are releasing interesting. Erin "Concerned Ape" (Stardew Valley); Bob the Bot (Survivalist); and Terry Cavanagh, the creator of VVVVVV.
They keep their games updated, they are pretty chill people, and they keep players informed during development.
For now, they are the only ones who have earned my trust.

For everything else, it's full patientgamer mode for me. Wait until the whole game is released with a single price tag, 90% discount, no online requirements outside of multiplayer, and community fixes.

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[–] Gnugit@aussie.zone 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

I haven't bought a full price AAA game in at least 20 years for this reason.

The last few years though things are getting really bad and I have begun investing heavily into retro game disks for my PC as well as on my OG Wii and PS1, 2 and 3 games for my PS3 phat.

I'm getting some great games for l from $1 - $12 that i can play anytime, no connection required.

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[–] Rainbowblite@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I am too paranoid about security to pirate a video game. I just don't play the big AAA titles. There are so many indie games worth my attention and support that I don't notice.

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[–] mkmusic@torishiro.com 8 points 4 days ago

@CodenameDarlen@lemmy.world and plus, most of the time, when you're buying indie games from steam, they're drm-free, so you can play them offline, run them without steam running in the background.

honestly, I have no more hope in the AAA games, since it will be the same game over and over again with different skins or slight UI tweaks. there's nothing much Steam can do at this point, because it's the business model of these companies in the end. It's time to give back all the money wasted on these AAA games to indie titles now, it's well deserved...​:bilibili_dianzan:​

[–] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I don't think I've pirated a game since 2008! Used to be if I didn't like their price, I waited and bought on sale or used. Now that I play on PC and used games aren't a thing anymore, I just don't play it.

There's a sea of games out there and If I don't like the practices of the publisher, I skip them and move to the next. Why should I engage with their product if they don't respect me as a customer or share my sensibilities? I'm not a hypocrite.

[–] bacon_pdp@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

Better to go to GPLv3 games.

Because they are most scared that people don’t even want to pirate their shit.

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